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The whole debate is making me nauseous.

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:19:54 PM EST

ABC should be excluded from hosting any more debates in 2008..

wait for the review. they've been GOP water carrying.

Ad nauseum. no real info over 65 mins.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:22:27 PM EST
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I want to know why Snufflufugus is a moderator given his past. What a little bitch.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:22:28 PM EST
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He's demonstrated the loyalty that is required of him. Unlike, say, Bill Richardson.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:52:44 PM EST
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I had no idea (4.00 / 2)

what a COMPLEAT ASSWIPE Charlie Rose is.

What a fucking asshole.

I SIMPLY COULD NOT BELIEVE THE SS DEBATE.

Obama's suggestion to raise the cap on taxable income is very sound and sensible. why shouldn't Bill Gates and Warren Buffett pay more SS tax? Yet that COMPLETE MORON Charlie Rose is treating it like the end of the universe.

And Rose's COMPLETE STUPIDITY about capital gains taxes has made me gag.

Where is my vomitorium when I need it?

by dataguy on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:24:25 PM EST

Re: I had no idea (4.00 / 2)

You mean Gibson?

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:26:20 PM EST
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Re: I had no idea (4.00 / 2)

Rose, Gibson, all white folks look the same.

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:37:35 PM EST
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Re: I had no idea (none / 0)

LOL, Booman.

I had to leave mid-debate from work - just catching up now. Gawd, this really is awful. And they both look sooooo tired. But Obama is holding his own, and handled the Weatherman thing well, and the patriotism question too.

These are so silly though. The real loser is ABC and the American people.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 11:47:47 PM EST
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Re: I had no idea (none / 1)

shows working class and middle class voters who the elists are includes MSM pundits.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:26:57 PM EST
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Great, what I'm hearing from Hillary: scary black people in cities won't get guns, but nice rural white people will. Am I being a bit touchy? Perhaps.

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:26:53 PM EST

no she'll say anything..it's desperation time.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:28:01 PM EST
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no more than she is LOL

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:28:18 PM EST
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when does this end?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:29:08 PM EST
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Hopefully Wed. morning after Shillary loses.

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:30:04 PM EST
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Not soon enough.

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:30:11 PM EST
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AMEN!!!!!!

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:30:54 PM EST
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after this display, Obama's message of a new vision of politics looks very attractive.

Cable Networks did a much better job of these debates. ABC booooombed.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:33:34 PM EST
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The hills have eyes.

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:45:29 PM EST
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Eebet,

Nope. I thought the same thing. She mentions nothing about economic development as a reward for the street money she'll be spreading around to Nutter and his crew.

by Cee on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:06:53 AM EST
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Actually, once Obama provided her with cover, she decided she wouldn't pay street money either, with the excuse that her campaign can't afford it.

by CabinGirl on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 09:10:30 AM EST
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Rendell said. "We barely have enough to communicate on basic media.

LOL!!

by Cee on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 10:52:57 AM EST
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How would you use Dubya in the future? I'd hold fundraisers and put him in a "dunk machine" carnival event. $100 a ball and you can try to dunk Dubya in the water.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:42:18 PM EST

How about a thousand a ball and a tank full of bullshit

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:42:51 PM EST
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As a case study in who should be tried by the ICC in Den Haag.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:49:52 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton, do you drink coffee or orange juice with your egg mcmuffin?

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:42:59 PM EST

and do you supersize your fries. LOL

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:43:29 PM EST
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let ABC News know how we feel about this ~~"debate"~~ set up for lynching the Democratic Party.

GOP water carriers.

here's the link

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:50:34 PM EST

Thank you!

Here's what I wrote:

That was the worst debate moderation I've ever seen. Some apropos comments I've read:

"When gas hits $4 a gallon will the average American making $250,000 a year be able to afford to drive to work?"

"I like Stephanopoulos. But using former presidents? Is this a major issue?"

This debate managed to hit major Republican concerns (guns, affirmative action) and skipped over major Democratic concerns (healthcare, education). WHAT THE HELL?

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:54:31 PM EST
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thank god it's over and I don't need to use this assault rifle on my cranium.

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:51:59 PM EST

Winner: John McCain, then Clinton who is no Democrat.

Loser: ABC from a professional media standpoint. The New National Enguirer. We need to defeat this kind of display. Gibson complaining he's being heckled. He has no idea.

Obama: exhausted and shredded by the Clintons.

He'll recover.

Time. is. against. the. Clintons, and I do not mean April May and June. It's over for Clinton.

Obama will be the next President of the U.S. of A.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:07:20 PM EST

backlash for ABC Sports, Big. Time. Wait for the reviews.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:05:01 PM EST

Stephanewfaplous asks for a Read my Lips pledge. What an asshole.

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:05:18 PM EST

did he get that ? from Newsmax or Hannity?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:06:28 PM EST
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I think I just saw a terrorist peek his head out of Hillary's pantsuit.

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:06:20 PM EST

The real terrorist is in Bill's pants.

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:13:06 PM EST
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the Clenis?

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:14:07 PM EST
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How's the audience reacting? Yeesh, is it really as bad as y'all say? 52 minutes with no policy questions?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:07:40 PM EST

at 9:00 2 poilcy ?s

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:09:36 PM EST
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Wow.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:10:26 PM EST
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she's lying, does it well.

and abc is disgustingly out of touch.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:08:40 PM EST

Please explain that low capital gains tax leads us to a speculative economy (short term investments) and higher taxes on Cap gains lead us to longer-term investments where we actually build stuff in this economy and employ people. Most people just don't get that.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:11:08 PM EST

UGH - We all <3 the 1990s.

Unfortunately, I agree with TPM:

9:09 PM ... Obama's making a good point on the capital gains tax. But he's making it in a very bedraggled, painful, drawn out way. This is not good at all. All the right points are there but just not put well.

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:13:07 PM EST

They keep doubling up on him with the National Enquirer questions so she has tons of time to recover and get ready for the next question.

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:14:22 PM EST
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Exactly. this is such a travesty

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:17:30 PM EST
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No answer to cover her own ass.

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:14:47 PM EST

Slammed her on lying about income tax cap.

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:16:03 PM EST

Nice, pointing out that it affects 6% of the population.

And I guess we know what will be on youtube tomorrow

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:17:36 PM EST
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LOCKBOX!!!

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:17:46 PM EST

check out comments at ABC

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:17:57 PM EST

I just saw those (4.00 / 3)

The hilarious thing is that after a week of having these media-dorks tell us how out of touch and elitist Obama is, they do this as if they have the pulse of America. These debates, only prove that they're the ones who are out of touch.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:30:31 PM EST
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What's the deal with "divided we fail"?

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:22:22 PM EST

It's an ad campaign put out by AARP with a goal of addressing healthcare and issues that affect workers. A good campaign.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:24:24 PM EST
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Cool, thanks.

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:08:49 PM EST
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Well after reading y'all I guess the best news will be for CBS that with this kind of shit from ABC they still have a chance at a ratings boost. Glad I went for a walk instead.

No Hillary, you were outspent by the people not the Obama campaign.

by mainsailset (rideback@gmail.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:22:27 PM EST

And also... is everybody who watches debates constipated?

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:22:44 PM EST

When they air it on the West Coast I'll mix my vodka with prune juice.

On second thought, I'll just have some Irish whiskey and skip the debate. I'm getting enough of it here.

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:43:43 PM EST
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Heh. I'm on the west coast, too. It's not too early to drink, right?

BTW, there were like 3 laxative commercials during the debate....

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:09:45 PM EST
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You two read through this entire thread and you still want to watch the debate when it comes on over here?

Masochists, that's all I have to say.

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:13:31 PM EST
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debate?! that wasn't a debate.

to quote anita hill: that was an attempted "high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves."

what a charade.

don't waste your time...just drink.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:28:14 PM EST
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No, actually, what it was was an event touted as a boxing match between a would-be Rocky Balboa and an already-is Apollo Creed that suddenly morphed into a steel cage death-match with the referees swinging baseball bats.

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 12:38:19 PM EST
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What kind of nerd do you think I am? I watched the whole thing live on the intertubes. NO WAY would anything persuade me to watch it again. ;)

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:28:46 PM EST
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oops, forgot to say my prayer for Virginia Tech. WTF, could he be more cloying?

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:25:30 PM EST

a good night for the GOP...thanks to Gibson and George and abc.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:25:31 PM EST

This is the most disgraceful and dispiriting debate of all time.

That good, huh?

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:26:46 PM EST

Hillary's answer on gun stuff (none / 1)

is good. We need one law for NYC, another for Montana.

She did well on that question.

by dataguy on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:33:08 PM EST

Somebody check for membership in NRA. What a crock of bs.

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:33:33 PM EST

The American Hunters & Shooters Association endorsed Obama today-RAWSTORY

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:37:06 PM EST
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Good question on Affirmative Action. Base it on socio-economic standing, not necessarily just race.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:34:35 PM EST

Great answer from Obama

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:35:34 PM EST
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Could have been worded better though. He stumbled a bit but got the main points out there.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:43:54 PM EST
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yeppers

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:44:41 PM EST
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Obama did not hit the correct line (none / 1)

on affirmative action.

But Hillary did. She changed affirmative action into disadvantaged action.

So far, Obama is not doing as well as I would like to see.

by dataguy on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:35:51 PM EST

was this debate planned by the Hillary campaign completely?

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:36:40 PM EST

No, of course not. They just got to write the questions and choose the moderator. Everything else was a completely independent development! Really!

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:38:09 PM EST
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It does seem that way. Why don't they interrupt what she's saying the way they do with Obama?

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:38:12 PM EST
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it's being seen as ABC biased, anti-Obama and water-carrying for the Repubs. Not a good night for Dems.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:39:00 PM EST
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It sucks!!!!

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:40:24 PM EST
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Did they have to turn of the audience meter because people stopped paying attention?

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:43:01 PM EST
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Not a good night for the Dems, or not a good night for Hillary?

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:47:01 PM EST
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Er, I hate to say it, but I think it's been a worse night for Obama, at least in the second half of the debate. :(

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:48:09 PM EST
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yep. but he'll recover. You need to look at the questions he got. Dispirited. Disgusted.

It's unanimous. ABC will have a backlash. Look at the reviews after...not just lefties, conservative, GOPers too.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:58:45 PM EST
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I already sent my nasty gram to abc, did you?

by CabinGirl on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:00:36 PM EST
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I did.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:04:10 PM EST
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Obama: Won't ask Shrub but will ask his father. LOL

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:42:19 PM EST

I had to eat lots of chocolate.

If I gain five pounds I BLAME ABC.

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:46:07 PM EST

I have smoked almost a full pack of cigs. LOL

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:48:04 PM EST
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DAMN YOU ABC for his lungs and my thighs!

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:48:31 PM EST
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I have smoked almost a full pack of cigs. LOL

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:48:22 PM EST
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When this campaign started and I criticized Clinton I thought it was unfair that people accused me of 'hating' her. I didn't.

Right now, though, the emotions I feel about her come close to hate. I just detest her campaign with every fiber of the my body.

by BooMan on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:49:02 PM EST

YES. Me too. And I am just going to go ahead and jump on the "I hate her voice" bandwagon.

Gawd, Obama sounds tired. And kind of defeated. :(

by eeblet on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:51:00 PM EST
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I use to say she was a good senator and should stay a New York Senator or run for Governor of New York. ( thank god I don't live there) Now I say maybe she needs to be voted out of the senate also.

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:51:03 PM EST
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Almost universal denunciations at ABC's blog. Needs to be followed with phone calls.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:51:57 PM EST
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One word: Hamas. I had absolutely no idea what the hell she was talking about. I'm sure no one in the audience our out there in TV land new either. She just wanted to put "Obama" in the same sentence as "Hamas." DESPICABLE.

by cilerder86 on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:30:13 PM EST
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Wes Clark is a douche bag for endorsing Hillary

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:49:32 PM EST

I still like Wesley Clark and hope that Obama will reach out to him once he has the nomination.
Clark will be a great asset to us.

by Cee on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 10:55:54 AM EST
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Olbermann's doing a show on MSNBC about this debate now or in a few minutes.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:53:47 PM EST

Yup. Now.

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:54:33 PM EST
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link

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by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:57:56 PM EST
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Gibson is a tool (none / 0)

I'm stilling over his "With all due respect, I don't think we're going to get an answer from Sen. Obama, but I'll ask anyway..." line. WTF was that about?

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:55:50 PM EST

I swore I proofread (none / 0)

That should say, "still reeling".

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:56:27 PM EST
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Re: Gibson is a tool (none / 0)

Missed that. Which question did it relate to?

by RandyH on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 09:58:26 PM EST
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I don't remember (none / 0)

I think it was Iraq...right after Clinton gave her answer, he said that and then went on with his question.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:33:39 PM EST
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Gun control (none / 0)

Clinton had said that white men should be allowed to have guns, but "others" with their machine guns, shouldn't:

GIBSON: Well, with all due respect, I'm not sure I got an answer
from Senator Obama, but do you still favor licensing and registration of
handguns?

He actually directed that to Clinton. So he got in this dig at Obama without letting Obama respond to it.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Thu Apr 17th, 2008 at 10:23:59 AM EST
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Ugh. What a waste.

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by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Wed Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:03:30 PM EST