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Pennsylvania Election Thread

by BooMan
Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:32:43 PM EST

If Obama is going to keep this election close, or pull off a shocking upset, he needs a huge turnout from Philly and its suburbs. And it isn't going to help if machines are malfunctioning all over the city, leading hundreds of people to leave the polls before they get a chance to vote.

Here's Politico's analysis:

Obama should be aiming for at least 55 percent turnout in African American wards in Philadelphia, 60 percent in the upscale white neighborhoods of Center City Philadelphia, and 70 percent in Lower Merion, the wealthy Philadelphia suburb with large numbers of highly educated and increasingly liberal voters.

The best indicator of the level of Obama support among younger voters—a group pollsters worry may not have been captured in recent surveys—will be turnout in places like State College, home to Penn State University’s main campus, or the precincts around smaller schools like Muhlenberg College in Allentown.

Another key is to look at the results coming out of Allegheny County where Pittsburgh is located. Most pollsters are predicting that Clinton will win narrowly there, but I don't think she will. Part of her problem is the surge of new voters. Obama wrapped up his campaign last night at the University of Pittsburgh with the most impressive speech I've seen him make in this whole campaign. It was spellbinding and he was at the top of his game. If these new voters turn out in numbers, I believe Obama will carry Pittsburgh.

There are 567,000 registered Democrats and 250,000 Republicans in Allegheny County, and since November, there are 12,100 new registered Democrats and 3,667 new registered Republicans.

There have been 17,755 party changes since the November election, with the majority of those -- 14,149 -- converting to the Democratic party, and 2,174 going over to the GOP.

To sum up: Democrats in Allegheny County have added 25,587 voters, while Republicans have seen their numbers dwindle by 2,007.

In 2002, there were 175,000 voters from Allegheny County in the primary between Bob Casey and Ed Rendell. That worked out to a twenty-eight percent turnout. With 26,000 new Democrats in the county, almost all of whom are likely to vote, and sixty-two percent of whom are likely to vote for Obama, I see Obama doing well there.

Another place to look is Centre County, the home of Penn State's main campus and not much else. Penn State Students for Barack Obama changed the game by registering 5,400 students.

Penn State Students for Barack Obama registered 5,400 students as Democrats? How many did Hillary's group register? Here's a little perspective. In the 2002 gubernatorial primary between Ed Rendell and Bob Casey, here were the results for Centre County, where Penn State resides.

Ed Rendell 3,971 52.5%
Bob Casey Jr. 3,597 47.5%

It's hard to see how Obama can lose there with that kind of registration effort.

One other thing to keep in mind tonight...

The first returns are likely to come in from Philly and its suburbs, and they will show Obama well in the lead. But as the night wears on, that lead will narrow continuously until it, most likely, vanishes. Don't get too excited by early returns.



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It's mind-boggling that this country---the greatest and richest country in the world, as its admirers are inclined to remind us---can't put together anything as simple as an election with any kind of efficiency so people can vote and go about their daily business instead of standing, grumbling in line and then walking away before voting. This is so---as those same people who praise the U.S. might comment on comparable conditions elsewhere in the world---so developing democracy (pss, third world).
by Quentin on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:13:20 PM EST
I'm sure Fast Eddie has nothing to do with that.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:25:43 PM EST
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got any turnout news?
by BooMan on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:39:48 PM EST
Acel Moore, The Philadelphia Inquirer has a take that mirrors yours. kinda.

Urban Perspectives: Why phenomenon Obama just might take Penna.

[.]

Five weeks ago, polls suggested that Clinton had a double-digit lead over Obama in Pennsylvania ranging from 16 to 20 points.

More recent polls suggest he is closing the gap, with some polls having her as few as 4 percentage points ahead.

My political instincts are based not on polls (they are often misleading), but on anecdotal evidence gained from observing the political activity around me and talking to the people involved in it.

[.]

Greg Naylor, field operations director for U.S. Rep. Chaka Fattah, said that there was no doubt Obama would take Philadelphia - but that he also had the potential to win Pennsylvania. Naylor is basing his prediction on the increased registration for the Democratic Party. The party has registered more than 50,000 new voters for the primary in the city alone and more than 100,000 for the state. The Obama campaign is given credit for most of the new registrations, which include those who, as I did, switched from no affiliation to Democratic to vote for Obama.

There're also the demographics, which suggest that Obama does not need to take all or even most of the state's 67 counties, but rather must concentrate his winnings in but 14 of them. That's what Ed Rendell did to become governor.

Such demographics, and the upswing in new registrations, tell me Pennsy is less like Ohio than some pundits have asserted. And if Barack Obama wins Pennsylvania - or if it's close, in low single digits - it may be time to put to rest the old, cynical canard that Pennsylvania, between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, is just another Alabama.

[.]



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:00:53 PM EST
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if we had same-day registration and hadn't closed registration a month ago, Obama would have picked up thousands of new votes.
by BooMan on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:39:44 PM EST
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Yeah, because up here in MN same-day registration has totally ruined everything! (sarcasm)

There's just no excuse in this age not to allow it.

The more control, the more that requires control. This is the road to chaos. -Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment

by chimneyswift on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:00:11 PM EST
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at my center city polling place at 8.22a, i was #86. they were above 1 voter a minute for the morning rush. the committee people and judge of elections (the people running the voting booths) were all saying this was the highest turnout they had ever seen including the most contested mayoral races (and those can get pretty nasty here in philly).

i was standing outside a polling place with 3 divisions for 2 hours. tons of people streaming in. a russian tv station, based out of DC, was covering the presidential race and asking people who they were voting for and if they thought it would be fair to have 2 dems go up against mccain in the general. from what i overheard of their exit polling, most people were voting for obama between 8.30a - 10.30a at broad/lombard.

city hall is covered with hillary lawn signs (our mayor is a hillary supporter). there are obama supporters with homemade signs surrounding city hall getting people to honk.

headed out to take a few gigs worth of photos and hear from the people on the street for the afternoon.

--
Albert Yee
Philadelphia, PA
http://dragonballyee.com/blog

by albert (dragonballyeeATgmail.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:56:27 PM EST
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machines malfunctioning should not surprise. Questions were raised days ago and the PTB said "not to worry."

Big Ed was not too concerned, eh?

what's the difference between stuffed ballot boxes and malfunctioning machines? Same outcome - stolen votes.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:41:14 PM EST
Someone has to get their hands on one of those provisional ballots that only have HRC on them, scan it in and/or video tape it so the MSM can get their hands on it. VISUALS, VISUALS, VISUALS.

Declaring the bottom is the only way back up..
by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:42:38 PM EST


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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:44:32 PM EST
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I just noticed the line at the bottom that it's Paid for by the Democratic Executive Committee of Philadelphia.  From what I'm reading, this is the ballot that's being given to voters as they head in to vote.  So the confusion is that people think it's an official ballot and don't have other options.  

BUT...there are also reports of Obama-less ballots in Philly too, but I haven't seen photos of those.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:52:41 PM EST
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That is HORRIBLE.  Please tell me this is illegal!
by eeblet (bethbudwig at g mail) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:42:13 PM EST
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So I'm looking at the sample ballot that the ChesCo dems put together and there are 4 people running for State Treasurer. I've never heard of any of them!

What to do . . . .  I hesitate to go with the county recommendation because I don't know if the county party is run by old time main streamers or if there are any progressives behind them. Anyone here from PA have any ideas about treasurer candidates?

John F. Cordisco
Robert McCord
Dennis Morrison-Wesley
Jennifer L. Mann

Help!

by RevDeb on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:48:54 PM EST
they're bad and worse. write yourself in.

--
Albert Yee
Philadelphia, PA
http://dragonballyee.com/blog
by albert (dragonballyeeATgmail.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:52:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Does Pittsburgh come in early or late?

It's so strange to me to have a metro area's returns come in early.  That never happens here.  

by maryb2004 on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:50:37 PM EST
I think the burbs will come in before the city itself.  
by BooMan on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 12:59:30 PM EST
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That confused me.  I read that Philly was expected to come in first, but the big cities almost never come in first.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:05:36 PM EST
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by Cee on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:19:54 PM EST
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Per a dKos comment, David Shuster says early indications are that there's massive turnout coming primarily from Philly and Pittsburgh.  Heaps of salt and all that, but there it is.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:05:02 PM EST
This is nutty.
by BooMan on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 01:51:41 PM EST
Yeah, but, say what you will, I bet the GOPers couldn't muster that kind of thing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:01:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well as Obama has said..this definitely qualifies as part of the Silly Season.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi
by chocolate ink on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:03:41 PM EST
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I think Obama takes Pittsburgh too.  

What is tickling me today is a local radio conservative is slamming Ed Rendell (who I like) because of his past dealings(that I agreed with ) with Min. Farrakhan.

If there are any paranoid Clinton voters are listening, this host will be peeling those people away.

Also...Obama volunteers are everywhere. I ran into some who came from Maryland and Washington state.

by Cee on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:02:11 PM EST
Just got back from voting. As of 2 pm 35% of the registered dems in my pct. have voted. 14% of rethugs.

Interesting.

by RevDeb on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:24:39 PM EST
Is this in Philly? IF that is the case, turnout could exceed 50%.
by hopeful08 on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:35:09 PM EST
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Suburban Chester County--not exactly a hotbed of activism.
by RevDeb on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:36:20 PM EST
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Wow. That's good then right?
by hopeful08 on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:46:12 PM EST
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MSNBC says heavily-AA precincts are showing pretty lite turnout in Philly.  Anybody hear anything confirming or denying that?  That seems a bad omen.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:47:50 PM EST
Haven't watched the news but Bowers said at 10 am there were already 20% that had voted in his 2 pcts which I think have a high AA ratio.

Don't know. The weather is still good and there's a ways to go until they close at 8.

by RevDeb on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:57:41 PM EST
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i read the AAs show up later. Gotta go to work first.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:58:08 PM EST
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If true Obama will lose.  

But I don't believe it.  Pass up the chance to vote for the first AA candidate with a good chance of becoming the first AA President?  I don't believe it.

(OT: are you planning to be 'there' or here tonight?)

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 02:59:49 PM EST
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Planning on both, actually.  I got this fancy tabbed browsing thangy nowadays. ;)  You?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:03:51 PM EST
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A fancy bloggin' thangy?

Whooo-eeeee!

I bet you gots one of them new fangled bathrooms right in the house.

Both

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:17:01 PM EST
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Heh!  Yessuh, that thar baethtub makes a mighty fine umbrella do-hicky, too, I tell you what.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:25:53 PM EST
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All we got is this big porcelain foot washer. You stick yer foot in it and wash it off good. Then you pull this lever and you get fresh water for the other foot.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:35:41 PM EST
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Kos reporting very heavy turnout around the state and in Philly.
by RevDeb on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:07:07 PM EST
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PA win not likely unless rural voters do not turn out.

Central PA still stuck in the dark ages. Even the south has changed. Not here:

St. Patrick Day in Scranton

"Barack Obama's campaign opened a downtown office here on March 15, just in time for the annual St. Patrick's Day parade. It was not a glorious day for Team Obama. Some of the green signs the campaign had trucked in by the thousands were burned during the parade, and campaign volunteers -- white volunteers -- were greeted with racial slurs."

Signs burned? Racial slurs shouted out loud? In this day and age? Maybe that 15 percent estimate is low.

Clinton embraced Scranton as her roots.

juxtaposed the polls, for what they're worth:

RCP Clinton below 40

Pollster

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:41:26 PM EST
Parts of the South have changed dramatically.  Other parts, not so much.

The idea of the South being loaded with nothing but vicious white racists while the North was all about equality has been a fantasy that northerners of a certain attitude have held to, but it has little basis in reality.

Again, let's review: Obama took 45% of whites in Georgia (supposedly Land of Hyper-Racists), but only 35% of whites in New Jersey.

First two black senators came from...Louisiana.  First black governor?  Virginia.  Second?  Massachusetts (allegedly the racist capitol of the North).

Things have gotten a lot better in much of the South.  Or, as they say in Atlanta, "This ain't your mama's South."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 03:51:18 PM EST
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   I had to vote absentee so I did not get a chance to get inside the polls.  Nevertheless, it was a zoo in there inside the HUB building.  There were Obama volunteers everywhere, and there were even a few "voter information" desks with laptop computers.  I didn't see any Hillary people, but I wasn't trying very hard to find them.  Congressional candidate Vilello was there, and so where representatives from the Cahir campaign.  There were even representatives from the Cordisco for State Treasurer campaign!  It looked like high turnout to me.  the volunteers were being suitable annoying in pushing people in the direction of the polls.  Only about a quarter of PSU students actually vote campus.  We actually spent much more time canvassing off-campus student voters.  So, reports from the one on-campus precinct do not reflect entire university turnout.  I'm only sorry I had to work today and that I couldn't volunteer.
by cilerder86 on Tue Apr 22nd, 2008 at 04:17:31 PM EST


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