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Broder Wanks Again

by BooMan
Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:00:54 PM EST

I thought David Broder had wearied of ridicule and decided to clean up his act. But, today, he's back to wanking and concern trolling. Look at this:

Obama's inability to win any of the major states except his home base, Illinois, and Georgia, where he could count on the black vote in Atlanta, is worrisome enough. His failure to mobilize and deliver the votes of blue-collar, middle- and lower-income white families that are the backbone of the traditional Democratic Party has to be even more concerning to the superdelegates, as are the gaffes that have begun to mar Obama's personal performance.

What's a 'major state'? If a major state is any state that has at least 10 Electoral College votes then Obama won seven of them: Washington (11), Missouri (11), Minnesota (10), Wisconsin (10), Illinois (21), Virginia (13), and Georgia (15). He's also poised to win North Carolina (15) and is competitive in Indiana (11). If we expand the criteria a bit, Obama also won Louisiana (9) and Colorado (9) in landslides. Should it concern supporters of Hillary Clinton that she lost so many reliably blue states and was crushed in purple states like Virginia, Colorado, and (most likely) North Carolina? If some pundits are worried that Obama might not win Ohio and Pennsylvania, shouldn't they be equally worried that Clinton cannot win in Minnesota and Wisconsin?

Hillary Clinton got the support of 8% of black voters in Pennsylvania. That would appear to be a bigger problem than Obama's weakness with 'blue-collar, middle- and lower-income white families that are the backbone of the traditional Democratic Party.' I'd say black voters are more of the traditional backbone of the Democratic Party than a group that is often referred to as 'Reagan Democrats'.

And leave it to Broder to perpetuate another act of McCain hagiography.

Yet, in pointing to those vulnerabilities in her rival, Clinton has heightened the most obvious liability she would carry into a fight against McCain. In an age of deep cynicism about politicians of both parties, McCain is the rare exception who is not assumed to be willing to sacrifice personal credibility to prevail in any contest.

Not assumed to be willing to sacrifice his personal credibility by whom? This is a guy that couldn't say that he had problems with the Confederate Flag during the 2000 South Carolina primary. From a April 19, 2000 article:

COLUMBIA, South Carolina (CNN) -- Former GOP presidential candidate John McCain called for the removal of the Confederate battle flag from atop the South Carolina Statehouse on Wednesday, acknowledging that his refusal to take such a stance during his primary battle for the Palmetto State was a "sacrifice of principle for personal ambition."

...When asked by a reporter how he felt about the Confederate flag during a January 12 campaign event, McCain replied: "Personally, I see the flag as symbol of heritage."

The Arizona senator expressed regret for that stance on Wednesday, telling the audience of Republicans: "I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles."

"I promised to tell the truth always about my intentions and beliefs. I fell short of that standard in South Carolina," McCain said.

That's a straightforward example from the historical record of John McCain 'sacrific[ing] personal credibility to prevail in [a political] contest.' You know what else happened at the end of that 2000 primary? Once McCain realized he was going to lose, he ripped the evangelical base of the GOP.

Yesterday, McCain held back nothing in his attack on Falwell and Robertson, calling them right-wing versions of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and the Rev. Al Sharpton, a New York activist.

McCain also called the televangelists ``mirror images'' of ``the union bosses who have subordinated the interests of working families to their own ambition.''

``We are the party of Ronald Reagan, not Pat Robertson,'' McCain declared, as the crowd of more than 2,000 cheered. ``We are the party of Theodore Roosevelt, not the party of special interests. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, not Bob Jones. Join us. Join us. Join us, and welcome anyone of good faith to our ranks. We should be, we must be, we will be a party as big as the country we serve.''

Robertson, a Bush supporter, had sent out recorded messages to Christian conservatives in Michigan before its primary last week calling McCain's campaign chairman, Warren Rudman, a ``vicious bigot.''

The press fell all over themselves praising McCain for his 'Sister Souljah' moment. But six years later, John McCain delivered the commencement speech at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University.

McCain's appearance came eight months after the founder of the Moral Majority visited him at his Senate office in what both men said was an effort to put their contentious past behind them. This weekend, Falwell rolled out the red carpet for his old adversary, assembling about 150 church leaders from around the country for a Friday night reception and later hosting a small, private dinner for the senator.

At Saturday's commencement ceremonies, McCain and Falwell marched side by side onto the stage in the university's basketball arena.

I'm not sure David Broder noticed this transparent act of sacrificing one's personal integrity in the interest of winning a contest. For Broder and his comrades, John McCain can do no wrong.



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Hillary wasn't crushed in Missouri.
by maryb2004 on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:05:58 PM EST
that was an editorial error.  I just deleted it.
by BooMan on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:43:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
the wankers just keep wanking, their livelihood depends on it...as glenn greenwald put it in this recent essay from the national interest:

"Political punditry is the ultimate accountability-free profession."

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:24:50 PM EST
I still have that bowl of Dump Wheaties ready for Broder.
by RollaMO on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:41:55 PM EST
John Cole tees up the concerns of Broder and all his pundit cohorts and drives it right down the middle of the fairway.
If Barack is such a bad candidate, and he is so unelectable, and it is such a bad idea to have him as the Democratic nominee, why can't Hillary beat him?

Why is she behind him in every conceivable metric? Why is she behind in pledged delegates? Why is she behind in the popular vote (and don't insult my intelligence by trying to pass that sheer nonsense the morons at certain pro-Clinton blogs are lapping up)? Why are super delegates flocking to Obama, while Hillary has picked up only a handful in the past few months. Why has she won fewer states? Why is she trumpeting her narrow delegate pickup in PA, when it is less than the number of net delegates Obama picked up in a variety of other states? Why is she behind in fund raising? Why was she unable to turn her double digit lead a year ago into any actual primary wins? Why, with her starting financial advantage and name recognition, was she held to a tie on Super Tuesday?

Why to those questions and a hundred more like them. If your candidate is so much better, why is Obama kicking her ass? Why?

I was sitting in waiting room at the doctor yesterday afternoon and some other media deadhead on MSNBC was interviewing David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, and was throwing out this very same tripe. And he threw it right back at her.  And she kept harping on the "gaffes" and the "bitter" shit.  Her haughty demeanor and arrogant delivery was truly astounding.  He just asked her, straight up, why she thinks that is an issue which is important to Americans when so many are watching helplessly while everything they have worked all their lives for is swirling down the crapper?

Her response was, "Well, it's what everyone is talking about today on all the news channels.  That's why I'm asking you about it."  He replied, "This is only important to all of you in the media.  Americans don't care about this.  Why don't you report on what was said today about health care, about jobs, about gas prices, about feeding hungry people who can't afford to buy food for their families?  That's what Americans are worried about.  Not some one-time, off the cuff comment at an obscure event.

"We're just talking about what everyone else on TV is talking about"  That was her view on why it was important to spend an hour talking about it.

Is is any wonder that when they took my blood pressure that it was 140/89?  Reminded me again why I no longer watch cable news infotainment.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:42:11 PM EST
Pundit is now merely a synonym for party shill.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 02:42:28 PM EST
This is a story the corporate media hasn't touched.

From the current Counterpunch newsletter:

McCain cooperated with the North Vietnamese for a period of three years. His situation isn't as innocuous as that of the French barber who cuts the hair of the German occupier. McCain was repaying his captors for their kindness and mercy.

This is the lesson of McCain's experience as a POW: a true politician, a hollow man, his only allegiance is to power. The Vietnamese, like McCain's campaign contributors today, protected and promoted him, and, in return, he danced to their tune.

McCain provided his voice in radio broadcasts for the North Vietnamese. General Vo Nguyen Giap, a nationalist celebrity of the time, interviewed him. McCain's uneasy compliance was a moment of affirmation for Vietnamese. His Vietnamese handlers thereafter used him regularly as prop at meetings with foreign delegations, including the Cubans. McCain became what he is today, a psywar stooge.

Vietnamese radio propagandists made good use of McCain. He was on the air so often that, on June 4, 1969, a U.S. wire service headlined a story entitled "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral".

The story reported that McCain collaborated in psywar offensives, aimed at American servicemen. "The broadcast was beamed to American servicemen in South Vietnam as a part of a propaganda series attempting to counter charges by U.S. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird that American prisoners are being mistreated in North Vietnam."


It would be nice if someone could track down this wire story. Will the Democrats have the guts to use it?
by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:14:53 PM EST
Let's say that in 2004, Karl Rove and the GOP had been able to lay their hands on audio tape of John Kerry lending his voice to North Vietnamese propaganda broadcasts to perpetuate the story that American captives were well treated.  And that due to his frequent appearances he had once been called a "PW Songbird".

How many hours do you think it would have taken before that was airing round the clock on all of the mainstream corporate media and throughout the vast Right Wing Wurlitzer network?

Are there any actual recordings that exist?  If so, are they fair game in this political battle?  If someone in the Democratic camp come into possession of any of these, would they have the courage to use them against a Republican in the same way it would be used against a Democrat if the tables were turned?

What do you think?  Would they take the "high road"?  Or would someone, in the Rove/Atwater tradition, find a way to effectively use them to tarnish McCain's warrior armor?  Could it be packaged in such as way as to resonate with the American voters and make them doubt McCains war credentials?  Or would it backfire?

My guess is that the Democrats would keep the recordings locked up in their lap drawer, never to see the light of day.

Would that be the right decision?  Or the wrong one?

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:37:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In my book, they are not fair game.  McCain was tortured and imprisoned for years.  Anyone who criticizes him for breaking under torture is an unmitigated asshole that I want absolutely nothing to do with.  
by BooMan on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:41:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
My sentiments, also.

My guess, though, is the GOP would certainly find a way, through some front organization, to use them against a Democrat.  I think their mouths would water at the prospect of something such as this.

And that is one huge reason we are not Republicans.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:48:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You're right. I just deleted a comment I made about the possibility that such recordings exist. I shouldn't have made it.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:58:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks, I agree.  Sometimes ardent supporters need to step back and keep their moral compass centered.
by RollaMO on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 04:44:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I would wait to make fine adjustments to my moral compass until I see what the Rethugs do to Obama as the campaigns progress.
by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 07:44:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Lots of American servicemen who were held as POWs and tortured managed to avoid collaborating. Your saying that the question of whether McCain collaborated or not should be off limits, given that character is considered to be an important issue when it comes to whether someone is fit to be president, makes no sense, as far as I can see.
by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 07:53:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
being able to withstand years-long disfiguring torture is not a legitimate test of character.
by BooMan on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 08:01:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How do you know McCain was tortured?

Some more from the Counterpunch piece (not available online):

McNasty says he was tortured in solitary confinement. However, on March 25, 1999, two of his fellow POWs, Ted Guy and Gordon "Swede" Larson, told the Phoenix New Times that, while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it.

Larson said, "My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at the Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted's knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from."

McCain had a unique POW experience. Initially, he was taken to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp, where he was interrogated. By McCain's own account, after three or four days he cracked. He promised his Vietnamese captors, "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

His Vietnamese captors soon realized their POW, John Sidney McCain III, came from a well-bred line in the American military elite. McCain's father, John Jr., and grandfather, John Sr., were both full admirals. A destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, is named after both of them. [...]

One can only wonder when the calls from Admiral McCain started coming into the Hanoi Hilton's concierge. Rather quickly, one surmises, for the Vietnamese soon took McCain to a hospital reserved for Vietnamese officers. Unlike his fellow POWs, he received care from a Soviet doctor.

The Vietnamese realized, this poor stooge has propaganda value. The admiral's boy was used to special treatment, and his captors knew that. They were working him.

by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 08:29:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
the man cannot lift his arms above shoulder level.  And you are asking me if he was tortured?
by BooMan on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 08:37:07 PM EST
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According to Wikipedia (which claims that he was tortured), McCain "fractured both arms and a leg" when he was shot down, and then
a mob attacked him, crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt, and bayoneted him... Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, instead beating and interrogating him to get information. Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care and announce his capture.

Thus, the injuries he suffered before he was captured, together with the delay in his getting medical attention,  could explain why he has difficulty raising his arms.

And it would be stretch to say that his interrogators beating him amounted to torture, since our police regularly beat people, but we don't call that torture. As far as I can tell, we only have McCain's word for it that he was tortured after his captors found out that his father was an admiral.

by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 09:03:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It says his 'captors' beat him and denied him medical treatment.  How could they have done that before he was captured?

In any case, read this, originally published in 1973.

by BooMan on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 09:27:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obviously, his captors could not have beat him before they captured him. But it was not his captors who crushed his shoulder, but a mob. Also, they did not break his arms or his leg.

Thanks for the link. But there is no reason to believe any claims made by a Republican unless they can be independently corroborated, and as Newsweek indicates, the article you link to is a "first-person account".

by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 09:59:22 PM EST
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Did you read it?

I'm not saying that it's accurate word for word, or that he didn't try to make himself look good in places, or that he might have failed to mention some unflattering details.  But it doesn't really matter.  The story is what it is, and anyone that tries to say that man fell short in that ordeal is out of line.

by BooMan on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 10:38:46 PM EST
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I only glanced at the first page. (I trust Counterpunch more on the subject of John McCain than McCain.)

It is only out of line to pursue this line of inquiry if one assumes that Bush is the only Republican whose image as it is presented by the media differs considerably from the reality.

by Alexander on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 11:58:24 PM EST
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They accused a man who received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts of being a liar and a coward, and they called a man who left three limbs in Vietnam a traitor. In my book it's more than fair game - it's the devil's due. My only question would be regarding its effectiveness - if it helps our side to win then let 'er rip, but if it hurts our side then I say keep it canned.

It can work a number of ways without "criticizing" McCain for breaking under torture. It can note that since McCain broke under torture it appears that some forms of torture actually works, and that could explain why McCain voted with George W. Bush against banning waterboarding. There are many, many other ways to work it without criticizing him for it, but the point is simply to get that information into the discussion and let the voters decide what they think about it.

It could legitimately work the same way that McCain is working the Texas GOP ad issue - a third party puts the ad out, our candidate denounces it in the strongest possible terms (and if the candidate is Obama then he can denounce it honestly), while the third party insists that the candidate has no authority over what ads it airs and it will do as it damn-well pleases, thank-you-very-much. Message gets out and our candidate looks good for denouncing it. Amoral politics? Yep. Sauce for the goose? Yep.

The best part about it? Our candidate could take a dig at McCain for the McCain-Feingold Act which conservatives loathe. Before McCain-Feingold the candidate had tighter control over and responsibility for the message. Our candidate could rightly say that they'd love to squash the offensive ad but their hands are tied by McCain-Feingold. This will have little effect on Democratic voters but it could help to diminish base Republicans' enthusiasm about voting.

I think someone ought to run with this somewhere in late October. The Obama campaign (rightly) wouldn't touch this with a 10' pole, but I'm sure that a 527 could air an ad in a small media market that would create the appropriate uproar at the appropriate time...

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 08:23:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Isn't Broder wanks again unnecessary?

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:14:57 PM EST
Jon Stewart on the topic of Clinton's journey from "voters get to decide" to "they vote - and that's just part of the process".  

Daily Show clip here

by eeblet (bethbudwig at g mail) on Thu Apr 24th, 2008 at 03:18:43 PM EST


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