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Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence

by BooMan
Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 09:51:37 AM EST

My friend Richard asks a good question. Why does Rush Limbaugh get a pass on encouraging his listeners to riot at the Democratic National Convention in Denver?

"Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don't elect Democrats," Limbaugh said during Wednesday's radio broadcast. He then went on to say that's the best thing that could happen to the country.

Of course, Limbaugh tried to backpeddle.

Several callers called in to the radio show to denounce Limbaugh's comments, when he later stated, "I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver."
Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called "Operation Chaos," the people on the far left would look bad.
"There won't be riots at our convention," Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. "We don't riot. We don't burn our cars. We don't burn down our houses. We don't kill our children. We don't do half the things the American left does."

This is typical of Limbaugh talking out of both sides of his mouth. If the proposed riots are part of his 'Operation Chaos' (a plan that includes having Republicans vote for Clinton to extend the race) then they are clearly inspired and instigated by his listeners as a way to make the 'left look bad'.

As for the rest of his statement, it includes clear references to the Rodney King riots and the high level of black on black crime in our cities In other words, his listeners can light cars and homes on fire in Denver and try to blame it on outraged black people. Limbaugh has been known to peddle in overt racism before, but this is the first time I am aware of that he has combined that loathsome practice with an incitement to violence.

Richard is right, this is something the Colorado Attorney General should look into. You can contact him here. This is like a citizen's COINTELPRO and it should not be tolerated.

Update [2008-4-25 10:36:14 by Steven D]: COLORADO REVISED STATUTE 18-9-102(3) reads:

Inciting riot. Any person who incites, urges, instructs, or signals a group of five or more persons to engage in a riot and injury to a person or damage to property results therefrom commits a class 5 felony.

Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence | 22 comments (22 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (4.00 / 2)

"And that's the best damn thing that can happen to this country, as far as I can think," Limbaugh said.

It's obvious to all how far this fool can think. His reason for being is to distract your attention away from whatever the evildoers are up to.

Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show.

by Alice on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 11:44:32 AM EST

I like that! (none / 0)

Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show.

May I steal it? :)

by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 12:54:40 PM EST
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Re: I like that! (none / 0)

Bless you SN. I never remember to copyright my mumblings, but I figure if it's out there, it belongs to everybody.

It just bothers me to watch our social discourse become so filthy. It's such a pleasure to see Barack stay out of it. We all aspire to be better and he represents the hope that we can achieve our best with cooperation rather than competition.

Riot? Why the very idea is ridiculous. Kinda like Charlie Manson's helter skelter plan.

by Alice on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 02:11:14 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

The ends justify the means to right-wing nuts. That's why they support torture and un-American activities like illegal spying and detention without trial. They really believe they have to break the law and the constitution to save us all. It's for our own good, don't you know.

Look for this thinking to spread amongst the right-wing warrior crowd as it becomes clearer that they may lose the presidency. I will not be surprised to see Petreus and other Bush-appointed military men set the stage of openly defying a President Obama. They will say that beating the "islamofascists" is more important that our Constitution and they will do it if Obama won't. Same with going to war with Iran. These right-wing nuts have to be defeated and the Democratic strategy of ignoring it (and even seeking their approval) is making it worse.

by SFHawkguy on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 02:18:34 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Open defiance of the Commander in Chief is a serious career limiting move, to say the least. Just ask Douglas MacArthur. Short of mutiny, I can't see the armed forces taking up arms against another country in defiance of a Presidential order. Following orders is just part of their DNA. Besides, if they were capable of mutiny, it seems like the cooler heads among the military -- the ones who resigned rather than be a part of Bush's Iraq strategy -- would have done so long ago.

It's much more likely that Bush would try to order action against Iran or the "islamofascists" (whoever they happen to be this week in his fevered imagination) in the interval between the election and the swearing-in. Just one final mess, one last F-you to Obama, one last flaming bag of dog poo on the doorstep of the White House before the Idiot King leaves office.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 03:34:42 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

they're still trying to provoke a casus belli : the appointment of betreaus to replace fallon, who's on record of as refusing to take the bait viv-a-vis iran, combined with increasing belocitty by "contract vessels and their security forces" shooting at iranian boats...you do the math.

a continuation of the "madman strategy" or cheney on the loose?

beyond the fact that such an action would be the ultimate act of treason by the administration, l wouldn't put it past them.

and hillary doesn't instill a lot of confidence with her "we'll annihilate you" rhetoric.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 03:55:44 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Well, Bush is trying to change the facts on the ground to ensure his Iraq strategy is carried out through the next administration. And he's systematically purged and politicized the military to do this. Petreus is his political nuclear weapon. Petreus just admitted he had no withdrawal plan and he may indeed make it difficult for a president-elect Obama and may not prepare for a new course in Iraq. In fact, I get the impression the Bush gang is using its control of the military to put in place every obstacle they can for an Obama withdrawal plan. And now Bush and the media are going around saying how the normal protocol is to keep Bush's senior military personnal for a while in the new administration. Petreus and Bush's hand-picked military men may not openly rebel against a President Obama, but they are sure going to make it difficult for Obama.

To what extent we shall see . . .. but I am not giving the Bush administration the benefit of the doubt.

by SFHawkguy on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 04:34:41 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

And I meant to add that the Democrats effectively shot themselves in the foot by worshiping at St. Petreus' feet. When the Democrats actually moved the Senate to censor criticism of General Petreus, it effectively made off-limits any criticism of Petreus' motives. Petreus' honor and integrity and motives became beyond reproach.

And now the Democrats are effectively neutered whenever they wish to protest Bush military policy, e.g. "What do you mean Petreus shouldn't send our troops to the Iranian border? Obama doesn't take office for one more month and Petreus is just trying to protect the troops! You calling him a traitor?"

by SFHawkguy on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 04:50:32 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

I don't doubt that Bush will try to do all those things and more. So if I were Obama, before I took office I would gather some military advisers around me, made up of senior staff who resigned because of Bush's handling of the war. I think I'd also find a couple of supporters of Bush's plan, just so I could know what those who seem to think Iraq was a good idea were thinking. Then as soon as I was able to do so I would need to start working my way around whatever obstacles he'd laid in my path. I would hope that this would not require a complete de-Bushization of the military, but it's possible it could come to that.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 05:23:21 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

heh, this rarely happens. For some bizarre reason Steven and I almost never focus on the same story. Oh well.

by BooMan on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 09:58:57 AM EST

Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

No worries Mate.

As for this:

"There won't be riots at our convention," Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. "We don't riot. We don't burn our cars. We don't burn down our houses. We don't kill our children. We don't do half the things the American left does."

I guess Rush forgot about Oklahoma City, the KKK, Lynching, etc.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 10:00:24 AM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Well, the OK City thing qualifies, but the KKK and lynching was all about burning and killing other people. That makes it okay.

by BooMan on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 10:03:59 AM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 1)

No, Republicans never riot, unless of course they have a really good reason, like stealing a Presidential election.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 01:40:09 PM EST
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It's a Felony (none / 0)

It's a federal offense.

Under federal law, a riot is a public disturbance involving an act of violence by one or more persons who are assembled in a group of at least three people. The act of violence must be one that presents a clear and present danger of injury to another person or damage to another person\'s property. Threatening to commit a violent act in such a group situation that could injure another person or damage property is also considered a riot if one of the persons in the group has the ability at the time to carry out the threatened violence.
Inciting a riot applies to a person who organizes, encourages, or participates in a riot. It can apply to one who urges or instigates others to riot. It does not apply to someone who merely advocates ideas or expresses beliefs, if those ideas and beliefs do not involve advocating violence.
The federal crime of inciting a riot carries a possible penalty of up to five years in prison a fine.
State and local governments also have laws that make it a crime to incite a riot. The penalties range from fines only to jail time. It is important that the law, even if only a municipal ordinance, specify the conduct that that is prohibited with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited.

Emphases mine. I think Rush will get away with this (he usually does) but I reported him anyway.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 10:11:30 AM EST

Re: It's a Felony (none / 0)

Well, that chances that the Bush DOJ would indict Rush are less than zero.

And the Colorado Attorney General is also unlikely to do so.

Funny how all the Republicans in Congress not so long ago were rushing to defend Rush for his phony soldiers comments. I bet they defend him for this as well.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 10:23:22 AM EST
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The Dems should be hammering El Rushbo on this, especially Obama.

Obama is accused to being elitist and out of touch with "core Democrats" for saying they might be bitter and we've got Rush accusing the same group of people as child-killers and lawless hooligans. It's new orleans all over again.

Jesus. HIT BACK ON THIS.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 10:23:18 AM EST

Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Agreed about "hitting back".

WWGD? (What would Gilly do?)

by Richard Cranium (allspinzone (a) yahoo (dot) com) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 10:50:20 AM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Democrats are incapable of hitting back. They have been effec†ively neutered. If someone on the left says anything resembling a controversial statement the Dems all line up to condemn him or her. How quickly we forget about the MoveOn fiasco. Wasn't there a call to censor Rush at about the same time as the MoveOn fiasco and all the Republicans lined up to defend him? And maybe a few Democrats?

And hasn't Hillary courted Rush this election?

Dems are scared of their own message so they do not let the firebrands on their side fight.

by SFHawkguy on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 12:58:24 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Yes. Bill went on the Limbaugh show.

Just imagine if Rev. Wright had encouraged riots.

by Cee on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 01:33:07 PM EST
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Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Do they not have any sense of dignity? Courting Rush Limbaugh and Mellon-Scaife? WTF?

It's like the battered-wife syndrome. They have been repeatedly raped by these scoundrels and they show up at their doorsteps with flowers asking if they can be forgiven.

by SFHawkguy on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 02:01:28 PM EST
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I seriously doubt that this constitutes a crime. There is considerable leeway given to political speech. As there should be. Even if a few nutballs act on these words I think Rush should probably be protected. Same with Michelle Malkin making veiled threats at the NY Times or AP or whatever her target of the week is.

But it just goes to show you how screwed up the media is. The "Left" calls Petreus' honor into question by arguing that he was lying to Congress or at least a political schill of the President. The right wing and the press went nuts about this "outrage". It is evidently unconscionable to criticize a General in America (unless it's Bush criticizing a General). I'm surprised the Republicans didn't push to make çriticizing a General illegal. Yet when Rush or Michelle Malkin fantasize about killing Democrats the press chalks it up to political speech.

I don't blame Rush for being an ill-tempered radical that has racial fantasies about negroes rioting and Dems killing each other. I blame the media and our political culture for including him in our discourse.

Ånd I especially blame the Democrats for not having the courage to stand up to this çråp.

by SFHawkguy on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 01:11:05 PM EST

Re: Limbaugh's Incitement to Violence (none / 0)

Liberals are "burning houses and cars", wingnuts are only inciting violence and riots.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Fri Apr 25th, 2008 at 01:14:21 PM EST

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