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On the Ground in PA

by BooMan
Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 05:26:58 PM EST

Welcome to Pennsylvania:

Steve Woods sat drinking a Coors Light and talking with his buddies. A Philadelphia Phillies spring-training game was on TV, and he glanced up at it every time the audio picked up the crack of the bat. I asked him if the presidential campaign interested him. “Absolutely,” he said. Rapid fire, he told me the issues he cared about: “No. 1, gas prices. It’s killing everybody. No. 2, immigrants. They should go back to Mexico. Three, guns. Everybody should have the right to bear arms. In fact, everyone should have a gun in this day and age.”

I wondered if he was a Republican. “Are you kidding?” he said. “I’m a Democrat all the way. I hate Republicans.”

Politics here just won't fit into Chris Matthews' little boxes. Obama is doing better than expected among this demographic, but it's not an easy sell.

Woods, who is 32, said that he had been trained at the local technical high school as a land surveyor but had been working only sporadically. He had been picking up “side jobs,” a term I heard over and over again in Levittown. It refers to temporary labor: carpentry, landscaping, junk hauling.

Woods was for Hillary Clinton, and if Obama was the Democratic nominee, he said he would vote for the Republican, John McCain, in November. “Hillary all the way,” he said. “We need Hillary. She knows the game. Obama has no experience. He talks about change, change, change. Everybody says he’s new; he’s refreshing; he’s charismatic. I don’t think he’s got a clue.”

Obama’s lofty rhetoric did not move these men, but neither did it go over their heads, exactly. They heard it, and it seemed to have the opposite of its intended effect. It bothered them. All insisted that his race had nothing to do with their coolness to him. “The guy does a lot of talking, but I haven’t heard him say anything great yet,” said Dennis Haines, a 38-year-old self-employed electrical contractor and a Democrat who thought he would vote for Clinton in the primary but probably for McCain in November.

Times are really hard for blue collar workers in Pennsylvania, and Levittown is a planned community that originally specifically excluded blacks. It's not exactly the kind of place that Obama should do well. But he's doing okay, which may be all he needs to do. In fact, he's doing well enough that Rep. Patrick Murphy doesn't feel silly making this prediction.

Obama’s most important ally in the Levittown area is the first-term congressman Patrick Murphy, the son of a Philadelphia cop, an Iraq war veteran and a member of the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of self-identified Democratic moderates and conservatives. His Eighth Congressional district is among the more volatile in the nation and regularly swings back and forth between Democrats and Republicans. (Even Murphy’s wife is a Republican and a swing voter. She switched parties to vote for Obama in the primary and plans to switch back. “I pick my spots,” Murphy told me in explaining why he did not think it was worth trying to prevail upon her to stay a Democrat. “She voted for me, or at least she says she did.”)

Murphy, who is 34, says he believes that Obama offers the best chance for quickly ending the American involvement in Iraq, which he fervently opposes. He told me, “Barack Obama is going to win Levittown.” I asked him if he really believed that. “Yes, I do,” he said. “He will win it.”

I wouldn't make that prediction, but I also would never bet against Patrick Murphy. Patrick is what is called 'a winner'.



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Three, guns. Everybody should have the right to bear arms. In fact, everyone should have a gun in this day and age."

I wondered if he was a Republican. "Are you kidding?" he said. "I'm a Democrat all the way. I hate Republicans."

That's funny. I live in Pennsylvania, own a gun, and hate Republicans, too.

The Clintons represent the Republican wing of the Democratic party.

by Alexander on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 05:57:19 PM EST
I thought it was pretty funny too.
by BooMan on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 06:37:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We'll see. As noted in the article, I think Obama's going to have a better chance in other parts of Bucks County. Based on the demographics of the Levittown/Bristol area (having canvassed there fairly extensively for Patrick in 2006), that's going to be a tough sell.

But hey, if Patrick's prediction is right, more power to him.

by PsiFighter37 on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 05:56:12 PM EST
winning it is a stretch, but doing well there is the key.  He has so many votes in Philly, MontCo, DelCo., and Chester that he just needs to come close elsewhere.  
by BooMan on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 06:39:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Brownstein (via BooMan's The Victory of a Black/Wine Track Coalition) got me with this:

A Party Transformed

Obama is succeeding where his wine track predecessors failed, largely because he has won overwhelming majorities of African-Americans, who in the past generally sided with beer track candidates.

I think we focus a lot on Obama's blackness because he "looks" black. But Obama looks like his white grandfather. Maybe he is a beer track candidate.

by northanger on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 06:57:03 PM EST
Early on in Obama's candidacy, I was one of those dismissive of it largely because Obama is not "black enough". But as he started winning and became the front runner, gradually I realized that if he were "really" black, like Jessie Jackson for example, he wouldn't stand a chance.

Obama is truly multicultural, straddling white and black culture. That's, I think, what makes him attractive to both blacks and whites. I find the way he presents his life story authentic (not that I've read either of his books).

The Clintons represent the Republican wing of the Democratic party.

by Alexander on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 07:40:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
North,

Black folks are like Box of Chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Obama does look like his white grandfather. His oldest daughter looks like his Kenyan grandmother.

by Cee on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 08:48:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wait a minute. Murphy's wife switched parties to vote IN THE PRIMARY for Obama. But, she plans on switching back? Um, when? For the General? Or after? This really bothers me and I'd like to get an answer. Is Mrs. Murphy a Democrat this month or this year?
by sjct on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 07:48:02 PM EST
I honestly think that they play off her Republican roots as a kind of schtick to prove how non-ideological he is.  It plays in the district.
by BooMan on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 07:55:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
PA is a closed primary state...so she needs to switch for the primary.  She can vote for anyone she wants after the primary regardless of what her registration says, but she has to switch now to make sure Obama is the nominee if she wants to vote for him in the general as an Obamacan.

I'm pretty sure she votes Dem for her congressperson anyway, regardless of her chosen voter registration.  :)

by CabinGirl on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 08:09:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In a not so glowing article in The Sunday Times, UK,

Rapid rise of Hillary's fortune Congressman Patrick Murphy is quoted:

It's a must read... Air Force Two?

Excerpts

THE meteoric rise of the Clintons to the ranks of America's wealthiest families has presented a challenge to Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions at a critical stage in the battle for the Democratic nomination.

[.]

The former president reeled in at least $12.6m - and a possible further $2.7m last year - from a business partnership with his friend Ron Burkle, the supermarket magnate and financier. Bill Clinton has his own room in Burkle's mansion in Los Angeles and travels so frequently on Burkle's private jet that he jokingly calls it Air Force Two.

[.]

The Clinton campaign claimed that more than $10m of the earnings had been donated to charity, but the huge sum still raises more questions than it answers.

The bulk of the cash went to the Clinton Family Foundation and served as a tax write-off. The foundation has distributed only half its money - and most of that was after Hillary Clinton began running for president last year.

[.]

ED:another whopper

Clinton told a convention of Democrats in North Dakota when her tax forms were made public: "Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely nothing against rich people. As a matter of fact my husband, much to my surprise and his, has made a lot of money since he left the White House by doing what he loves most - talking to people."

[.]

Defeat in the Pennsylvania primary would administer a seismic shock to Clinton's campaign and send superdelegates - the party leaders who hold the casting vote at the Democratic national convention this summer - racing to crown Obama as the victor.

"If she loses, the race is over," said Tad Devine, a senior Democratic strategist.

Congressman Patrick Murphy, an Iraq war veteran and chairman of Obama's campaign in Pennsylvania, said a narrow loss to Clinton would count as a victory: If he keeps her lead down to single digits, it's a win, given that the Clinton people have proudly told people they will win by 20 points."

(highlights added)

Yeah Hillary is surprised.

Imho, HRC campaign will find it difficult going forward to fund raise. The couple, as the article notes, is now among the 14,500 richest families in the country.

Truly from rags to riches, selling influence.

A business with a brand. No business expenses to meet. No inventory, - the product is sleaze.

Need to shower anyone?  I do.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 08:57:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ugh.  Mr. Woods' bigotry is unsurprising given the nonstop onslaught of hate offered over the past few years with little to no pushback, but it doesn't make it any easier to read.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz
by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Sat Apr 5th, 2008 at 09:07:08 PM EST
I don't see bigotry from Woods.  I do see what was common in Ohio, she can talk Blue Collar, she just doesn't deliver.

Remember the Regan Democrats (and also those who voted for Bush), it's the same problem.  She seems like you could hang at the local bar and pound back a couple of beers or maybe do some shots. You can't do this with her, but she can give off that "thing" that makes you think it's possible, that she understands where you're coming from.

Obama speaks like he's educated and when he speaks to some blue collar, it comes across as be-littling even when it's not.  My dad talks about how he'll vote for McCain because he's a "guys guy," "Just can't help but like this guy.  He's someone you can trust because he gets it."  I'm still working on Dad, but McCain does have this "thing" that I can't even begin to name and it's a draw to a number of blue collar types.

...because the unions make us strong.

by bendygirl on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 12:48:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No. 2, immigrants. They should go back to Mexico.
 

Right, cuz all immigrants come from Mexico.  Sorry, that's bigotry.  Let's stop sugarcoating it.

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz

by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:39:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
He needs to begin putting meat on the bones.  Talking very specifically about real issues, and less about the change per se.
by dataguy on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 12:27:39 AM EST
Are you kidding? If Obama says anything concrete, Hillary and her henchmen will crucify him. I think that everyone understands that Obama has to deal in platitudes until the Clintons drop out of the picture.

The Clintons represent the Republican wing of the Democratic party.
by Alexander on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 01:05:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
At first I thought you were talking about how skinny he's gotten.

Meat on the bones....  I think he's getting as specific as he reasonably can; his website delves into more specifics.

by eeblet on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 03:07:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
However, he's got to pull it out of the website, and take it on the road.  People think that he deals in generalities only.  This is not true, but he needs to show this on the stump.
by dataguy on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 08:23:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I've heard pretty specific proposals in his speeches these days. Perhaps they don't play them on the TV to keep the theme of all talk no specifics going.
by JayGR on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 09:29:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have no tv - but I watch most of the videos on Obama's YouTube stream, and they're usually so full of specifics that my eyes glaze over after 20 minutes.  ;)
by eeblet on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 12:17:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Democrats in the Chicago area.  The "Reagan Democrats" I know are more likely to vote for Obama than this type of Dem.
by JayGR on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 at 09:27:30 AM EST


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