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Obama's Patriotism

by BooMan
Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 10:42:46 AM EST

I'm not one of those people that were ever enthralled with Kennedy's Camelot. I'm too young. My introduction to the Kennedys was the Teddy version, circa his petulant primary challenge to Jimmy Carter. I have the utmost respect for Edward Kennedy, but he doesn't have the magic of his two more famous brothers. Nevertheless, when I was growing up I couldn't help but identify the Kennedys with patriotism. It seemed like everyone that was doing public service claimed to have taken their inspiration from John F. Kennedy's campaign and inaugural speech.

I sense something similar in Barack Obama. It's especially clear in the way young voters are flocking to his campaign, and it is reflected in his Plan for Universal Voluntary Public Service.

"Your own story and the American story are not separate — they are shared. And they will both be enriched if we stand up together, and answer a new call to service to meet the challenges of our new century … I won't just ask for your vote as a candidate; I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am president of the United States. This will not be a call issued in one speech or program; this will be a cause of my presidency." — Barack Obama, Speech in Mt. Vernon, Iowa, December 5, 2007

You can see the acorn of a new cadre of patriots in his Obama Organizing Fellows program.

This summer we are looking for people who want to be a part of a new generation of leadership that believes, like Senator Obama, that real change comes from the ground up.

Fellows will be trained on the basics of organizing & campaign fundamentals and then placed in a community to carry out grassroots activities. Fellows will be asked to commit to a minimum of 30 hours per week and will:

    * participate in training on field organizing, messaging, and other activities
    * organize in a community, working in conjunction with grassroots leaders and campaign staff
    * continue to build the movement

I think it's important to talk about this kind of patriotism because the Republicans intend to make Obama's love of country a major issue in the general election. Perhaps anticipating this, Joe Klein has started a flamewar with Pete Wehner over the question of whether liberals or conservatives are more patriotic. In most ways I think it is an idiotic argument. But then we see Bill Kristol warn us:

Last week, over drinks, one Republican strategist not affiliated with the McCain campaign mused about how an independent advertising effort against Obama might work. “Barack Obama: He’s not who you think he is” would be the theme. The supporting evidence would come from his left-wing voting record in Illinois and Washington, spiced up with fun video clips of Reverend Wright.

Even some Democrats' battered-wife syndrome shows through.

And an experienced Democratic operative e-mailed: “Finally, I think [McCain’s] going to win. Obama isn’t growing in stature. Once I thought he could be Jimmy Carter, but now he reminds me more of Michael Dukakis with the flag lapel thing and defending Wright. Plus he doesn’t have a clue how to talk to the middle class. He’s in the Stevenson reform mold out of Illinois, with a dash of Harvard disease thrown in.”

We are going to get really tired of talking about flag lapels and whether you should put your hand on your heart during the national anthem and Rev. Wright. All of these things will be used to suggest that Obama isn't patriotic enough. But, to my mind, his ability to inspire a generation of men and women to dedicate themselves to public service is about as patriotic as it gets.

You don't make a career of civil service pay unless you love and care about your country. That's the message we need to get out.



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Ugh. I wish we could get past the whole pledge of allegiance nonsense. I haven't taken the pledge since I was old enough to understand what it meant, and the intervening years have done nothing to change my mind about it. It's objectionable on so many levels I wouldn't know where to start, and the Eisenhower-era addition of "under God" is really the least of it. The same can be said of probably the only thing I agree with the Jehovah's Witnesses on, which is that it is idolatrous. Then there's the betrayal of the principles of the Declaration of Independence in the word "indivisible".

But the real objection is that key word, "allegiance". It's so un-American. The United States, as the founders understood it, was the expression of the popular will of the people. We own it. It does not own us. We are citizens, not subjects, and the use of feudal terminology like allegiance is inappropriate to the point of being actually subversively anti-democratic.

Obama didn't put his hand over his heart during the pledge? Big deal. What's that supposed to mean, anyway? This is the 21st century; we know that the seat of both thought and emotion is the brain, not the heart. Perhaps people should put their hands on their heads when reciting the pledge.

Or maybe we can just stop confusing symbols with substance. You can teach a parrot -- or a Republican -- to recite the pledge of allegiance, but it doesn't make them patriots.

---Cthulhu for President: Why vote for the lesser evil?

by eodell (eodell at naqada dot org) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 10:59:16 AM EST
no, he didn't put his hand over his heart for the national anthem.  I don't know about you, but my experience is that you stand and remove your hat.  A hand over the heart is not required or even that common.  That's for the pledge.
by BooMan on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 11:09:26 AM EST
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Jesus, I've been at baseball games where people never stopped eating their hot dogs, let alone put a hand over their heart.  I refuse to believe the American people are stupid or shallow enough (anymore) to fall for this piffle.
by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:02:02 PM EST
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Obama is smart to defend Wright and to not back down on the lapel pin issue.  A John Kerry or Al Gore or Bill Clinton would have surrendered to the Republican goons on these issues a long time ago and in the process would have given a signal to the American people that we should all fear Republican threats about our patriotism.  Giving in to a bully simply legitimizes him and his arguments--no matter how juvenile they are.  Obama is smart to ignore the bullies and try to speak over the bullies and to the vast bulk of the rational voters.  

We also need to realize that these are "false flag" political issues.  Obama's patriotism isn't at issue here.  No sane person can equate a flag pin with patriotism.  What's at issue is whether Obama will cower in fear at the Republicans' feet like most Democrats have done in the last 10 plus years. Republicans are testing him to see if he can withstand their standard irrational temper tantrum without giving in.

by SFHawkguy on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 12:10:30 PM EST
Obama is smart to defend Wright and to not back down on the lapel pin issue.  A John Kerry or Al Gore or Bill Clinton would have surrendered to the Republican goons on these issues a long time ago and in the process would have given a signal to the American people that we should all fear Republican threats about our patriotism.  Giving in to a bully simply legitimizes him and his arguments--no matter how juvenile they are.  Obama is smart to ignore the bullies and try to speak over the bullies and to the vast bulk of the rational voters.
I have grown so sick and tired over the years watching Democrats go all wobbly over shit like this.  And it is refreshing to finally see a candidate who is at least willing to confront it head-on for what it is, a non-issue.

I can't help but wonder if John Kerry had stood up in the beginning of all the Swift Boating and windsurfing obsessions and said to the American people, straight up, "This is fucking stupid, and all you Americans know it!"

As soon as you start trying to explain to the accusers directly, they've won the battle.  You have to throw it back in their faces.  Otherwise, it sticks.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 12:28:08 PM EST
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And if Democrats had the courage of their convictions they would welcome this fight!  I would!  Democrats should take this opportunity to attack. Would a patriot let Bush illegally spy on Americans without a warrant?  Would a patriot blindly follow Bush to the depths of hell to start war after war?  Would a patriot give GOP businessmen preferential contracts during a war?  That is the true test of patriotism that Bush and the GOP failed.  They failed to act like patriots.  
Therefore, to hide their failures from America they bring up false accusations involving flag lapel pins.  

It's such an easy charge to rebut.  It's like a GOP goon saying Obama is gay because he was wearing a pink shirt.  One would respond by saying that plenty of straight men wear pink shirts and actually, people that are overly concerned about men wearing pink shirts probably have latent homosexual tendencies themselves--and therefore I would question the sexuality of the Republican goons.  In fact, Republican goons seem far more likely to be having illicet gay sex and it's no wonder that these closet gay goons spend so much time talking about Obama's shirt.  See how easy it is?  

Now we just need Democrats that actually have the courage to believe that patriotism isn't defined by one's lapel pin and is willing to fight the Republicans on this issue.  Are there any such Democrats out there?  I haven't seen a commensurate counter-attack yet.  Were is the withering indictment of Republican patriotism?  Can't the Democrats at least do political theater anymore?  Just pick one person that can do an adequate job of indicting and prosecuting (metaphorically) Republican patriotism.  Democrats should understand that this smear is geared to all Democrats, not just Obama.  

The Democrats have an opportunity to define patriotism as something other than constant war-mongering.  Republicans are laying down their best card--years and decades of marketing that has branded the Republican party as the patriotic war party.  The media has also unfortunately helped build this stereotype up.  The fact the Republicans are willing to go all in on Iraq and to use a big metaphoric stick such as the charge that Obama isn't patriotic because he doesn't wear a lapel pin shows how desperate they are.  It's all they have.  So they finally get their war hero candidate and will be running on almost explicitly on war and patriotism.  That's all they have.  Let's take this election to define patriotism in America.  Let's make this the big issue.  If Obama loses by fighting head-on then so be it.  He will have lost but at least he will be doing the hard work to change American opinion about Republicans and patriotism.  Democrats are doomed unless they finally turn around and join the battle.  Running from this doesn't work.

by SFHawkguy on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:30:13 PM EST
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Now we just need Democrats that actually have the courage to believe that patriotism isn't defined by one's lapel pin and is willing to fight the Republicans on this issue.  Are there any such Democrats out there?  I haven't seen a commensurate counter-attack yet.  Were is the withering indictment of Republican patriotism?  Can't the Democrats at least do political theater anymore?  Just pick one person that can do an adequate job of indicting and prosecuting (metaphorically) Republican patriotism.  Democrats should understand that this smear is geared to all Democrats, not just Obama.

One frustrating thing to me is that the blogosphere is rife with people who can dish this stuff out on a daily basis.  We all read it every freaking day!!!  But the Democratic politicians, whether due to the fact that they are so deep in their insular bubble or just not wise enough to understand how it's done, seem totally tone deaf to the technique.  They allow themselves to be swamped by the conventional wisdom of the Washington insiders and all this does is turn them into fearful conflict-avoiding eunuchs.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:13:59 PM EST
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A John Kerry or Al Gore or Bill Clinton would have surrendered to the Republican goons on these issues a long time ago and in the process would have given a signal to the American people that we should all fear Republican threats about our patriotism.

That is probably why some people call Obama 'arrogant'.  He doesn't back down on the little things and he does take a stance.  He doesn't let the GOP scare him and I think that for too many Democrats that just not how it's done.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 12:09:59 AM EST
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I just got this email from a local Obama campaign volunteer.

THIS is patriotism.

Hello everyone,

Our first litter clean up day has been scheduled for April 19th, 2008 from 10:00am - 1:00pm.  I have attached a flyer for this event; I ask that you please forward this on to individuals within your community group and your community.  If possible, please print the flyer out and post it on telephone poles (my contact info is on it so people can just rip off a tab if they are interested).  If any of you have a question you can reach me at xxxxxxxxxx  

Our first "mission" will be the xxxxxxx area but this is just a test run, we will be expanding to all 18 neighborhoods immediately following this event.  I have laid out the outline of the Weed & Seed's Neighborhood Restoration plan at our last meeting and this is just one aspect of it, there will be a lot more to follow.  

by Cee on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 10:07:57 PM EST
I am so fucking tired of this idea of questioning someone's patriotism.  I've just about gotten into rumbles at concerts and ballgames when I refuse to take my hat off for "God Bless America".  Once a rather large man (must have been 350+) gave me shit and asked me why I didn't love my country.  I told him if he thought taking a hat off meant one was patriotic then maybe he should question his own definition of patriotism.  He didn't like that very much.

Tengo un sueño.
by ejmw (ewitham (at) umich (dot) edu) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 10:55:47 AM EST
He probably thought it was the national anthem...dolt.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:10:45 PM EST
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Does this mean we have to remove our hats and genuflect when they play "A Horse With No Name" by America?
by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:13:18 PM EST
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That beats praying to Bush. I honestly thought it would be compulsory at one point.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:43:14 PM EST
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OK, that's seriously messed up. Almost as messed up as pictures like this:



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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:10:02 PM EST
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Is this supposed to represent the trinity??????

Oh my God. It's one thing to pray for folks, but folks neither represent themselves nor the person they are praying for as the trinity. Idolaters.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:24:05 PM EST
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I think it's more of an effort to try and link Bush in the same context as Lincoln and Washington.  Bush as a great leader, wading through dangerous and trying times, making hard decisions and in the end achieving victory, all the while keeping his faith in God and inspiring the country.

You know.......lies!

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:49:02 PM EST
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I know I genuflect whenever American Pie comes on the radio.

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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:43:55 PM EST
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As for me, I'll only genuflect for Butterscotch or Cherry Pie.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:22:32 PM EST
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Hey, pie is pie. Except of course for moose turd pie.

My granddaughter, for reasons known only to her, has adopted "I like pie" as her expression of choice when feigning stupidity. She says it with this dopey look on her face that you can't help but laugh at.

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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:57:02 PM EST
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But when I see this:
"You don't make a career of civil service pay unless you love and care about your country."

...I just have to laugh.  From where I sit, "a career in civil service" (outside of delivering the mail etc) is a way for people to accumulate wealth, enter the revolving door between industry and politics, and best of all get themselves into the incumbent protection racket that keeps them well-fed for decades. Or, in cases like Jay Rockefeller, BushCo, and the Kennedys (who I heart), it's the family business.

Maybe people START their career in civil service because of love for country blah blah blah.  But most people, I suspect, maintain that career because the perks and pay are really really good.  

Maybe I'm cynical. Of course, i just saw "progressive" Nancy Pelosi and not-so-progressive Steny Hoyer just dump $150,000 to save crooked Al Wynn's ass a few months ago.  And even then it took two tries to rid Congress of the rotter.

Also, I live in Pennsylvania, home to such champions of the people as Vince Fumo, Arlen Specter, Rick Santorum, John Murtha, Chris Carney, and Phil English.  Oh and Ed "You'll Have a Slots Parlor in Your Neighborhood and You'll LIKE IT" Rendell.  

In fact, I cannot recall the last time this so-called "love and care about your country" I'm hearing about has actually resulted in, you know, actual benefits for the country.

Right now I live in a place where the Democrats won an election due to the unpopularity of the War at home and abroad, and have done nothing but CONTINUE THE WAR!

My country also is led by Democrats who voted to legalize torture, repeal habeas corpus, and who have tried again and again to give AT&T retroactive immunity from prosecution for breaking the law.

"You don't make a career of civil service pay unless you love and care about your country. That's the message we need to get out."

I predict you will have trouble getting that message out because no one believes it.  I would have an easier time believing in the Easter Bunny.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 11:31:18 AM EST
perhaps I should have been more specific.  Plenty of people work in civil service because it was a job in the classifieds and they were qualified.  

Hopefully, you understand my elitist point that people that could make oodles in the law or business or some other field are making a sacrifice to go instead into a career with the State Dept.  

by BooMan on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 11:36:11 AM EST
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I just visited the department of state's web-site to see what salaries and benefits are available.

In comparison to say, "Corporate Lawyer for Verizon", joining the State Department might be a sacrifce in terms of salary (in terms of connections to US government and foreign government contacts, not so much).

In comparison to, say "Public Defender" or "Cop" or "Teacher"?  That's not a sacrifice at all.  It seems quite lucrative to me.  Government shares the cost of your health and life insurance, the pay is about $10-$15K better than I make in human services, 30-45 days of leave dependign on if you're in the US or abroad... I don't know booman. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.

I'll bet you meet some really good people for your inevitable return to the private sector too.

But again, I tend to see most people as innately selfish and self-interested as opposed to altruistic, so perhaps my perspective is a little biased.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 11:50:41 AM EST
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yeah, well, while Reagan was telling us to be greedy and that the government was the problem, you were out doing the punk rock thing.  A perfectly nihilistic and appropriate response.  This is a new generation, brendan, and these kids are inspired by government service.
by BooMan on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 12:59:12 PM EST
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And when they end up being my age, they will be just as disillusioned.

good god, i sound like susie.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:02:57 PM EST
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But there's a difference between someone working in the civil service and former Hill staffer/political appointee/officeholder. Big difference. They are the ones that really cash out, not your GS-9 hoping to make it to the next grade. They aren't starving, but sure...they could be making more. Just ask the contractors they often supervise.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:17:15 PM EST
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I worked most of my life in the Post Office. I used to joke that I dropped out of medical school because I wanted to serve the community.

Providing the service of delivering mail actually is benefit to the community.

At one point it was a pretty good blue-collar job for unskilled labor, but the Republicans have been privatizing parts of the USPS, especially over the last seven years. Plus, worker protections we used to have through the DOL and other venues have been weakened by political appointees at the top of those agencies. Finally, the bargaining power of the unions have been greatly weakened, like for most blue-collar jobs, by GATT, NAFTA and other traitorous trade deals that gutted the working class.

by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 09:29:16 PM EST
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The new test of patriotism: if you ain't making war or are war and fear mongering, you ain't patriotic. You're un-American.  So you need to wear a flag lapel pin to avoid being tarred.
That gives Obama 3 strikes. He's against the war and does not wear a flag lapel pin. He associates with the wrong people. He's black and blacks aren't regular folks...don't understand America.

We had no patriots before 9/11 and "homeland" department of security

I've seen the videos that'll will be deployed by GOP.

but not just GOPers. watch this video from Hillary supporters:

and from the Coulters


Ann Coulter-Media Matters

On Hannity & Colmes, Ann Coulter stated of Sen. Barack Obama:

"He's a dime store Mein Kampf." Co-host Alan Colmes then asked if Obama "is a two-bit Hitler," to which Coulter responded, "[Y]es." Coulter also said of Sen. Hillary Clinton: "She's not obsessed with waterboarding and stopping waterboarding, and given the glint in her eye, I think she'd like torturing them."

wanna bet the Obama Organizing Fellows program will be seen as un-American?

McCain's call for a respectful campaign will be ignored.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 11:32:45 AM EST
wanna bet the Obama Organizing Fellows program will be seen as un-American?

Of course. That accusation was made on a pro-Clinton blog when they brought up Saul Alinsky.

by Cee on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 09:50:00 PM EST
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Hey BooMan, not only is Obama apparently unpatriotic but undemocratic as well.

These arguments might be compelling if Obama's leads were not so reliant on certain eccentricities in the current Democratic nominating process, as well as on some blatantly anti-democratic maneuvers by the Obama campaign. Obama's advantage hinges on a system that, whatever the actual intentions behind it, seems custom-made to hobble Democratic chances in the fall. It depends on ignoring one of the central principles of American electoral politics, one that will be operative on a state-by-state basis this November, which is that the winner takes all. If the Democrats ran their nominating process the way we run our general elections, Sen. Hillary Clinton would have a commanding lead in the delegate count, one that will only grow more commanding after the next round of primaries, and all questions about which of the two Democratic contenders is more electable would be moot.

The attacks are coming hard and fast now.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 12:50:25 PM EST
Quite the screed from Sean Wilentz,  contributing editor at The New Republic.

The New Republic, in case anyone needs to be reminded:


From Wikipedia

The magazine's outlook is associated with the Democratic Leadership Council and "New Democrats" like former President Bill Clinton and Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman, who received the magazine's endorsement in the 2004 Democratic primary...

Unsigned editorials prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq expressed strong support for military action, citing the threat of WMD as well as humanitarian concerns. Since the end of major military operations, unsigned editorials, while critical of the handling of the war, have continued to justify the invasion on humanitarian grounds,...

All of her consiglieri are in MAD mode.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:22:38 PM EST
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I was just about to go there. Her sycophants are in a tizzy.

They had years to learn, understand and digest the rules. Someone with her experience should have known and prepared accordingly.

I stopped reading his tripe after the third paragraph. It's just ridiculous.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:26:24 PM EST
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Until they work against you.

Just ask Pervez Musharraf.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:35:49 PM EST
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And for the record, he should not be our model.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:44:11 PM EST
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"you've got mail"

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."
by CabinGirl on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:45:20 PM EST
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Here's a little cheese

to go with that whine.

Everybody knew the rules going in, and they are what they are, so I don't really see what the point of this op ed is, other than to say something logically equivalent to "If my grandmother had three wheels she'd be a tricycle."

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:31:29 PM EST
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Clinton campaign chair photographed holding Obama signs

Somehow, I don't think The Boss would approve.



"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:06:19 PM EST
I wonder if Obama ever called his wife a cunt in public like the distinguished Sen. McCain apparently did:

   Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain's intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain's hair and said, "You're getting a little thin up there." McCain's face reddened, and he responded, "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." McCain's excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.

Swell.

by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:10:17 PM EST
Wow!  I don't know about everyone else, but I can only surmise that if most of us married men pulled something like that, we would likely wake up one morning to find our manhood stored in a shoebox on the top shelf of the wives closet.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
by MikeInOhio on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:26:45 PM EST
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Um, yeah!  I won't tolerate being called that in private....but in public?!
by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:27:38 PM EST
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I would never call my wife something like that, even in private. You just don't do that to someone you really love. She sometimes teases me in similar ways -- saying "If you can't find the comb, go get a sponge" when I say I need to comb my hair, for instance -- and I huff and puff and bluster a bit, partly because my hair isn't particularly thinning (receding, yes, but not thinning particularly), but mostly because it's more fun to huff and puff and bluster and put on a show for the onlookers.

Cuts heal, bones mend, bruises fade, but a word, once spoken, can't be unspoken. So I try really hard not to say things I'm going to spend the rest of my life wishing I hadn't.

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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:40:42 PM EST
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I can't figure out how to paste the pic, but this is how a couple should look.

I have to admit...it is hot to death! It always makes me want to reach for my hunny...

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:19:24 PM EST
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Oh my!
by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 03:51:58 PM EST
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I KNOW!! I fully respect them both, but wow! I almost snapped my neck from the double take I did when I first saw this picture.

Proof positive that you can take a smokin' hot picture fully clothed and without being completely obvious.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 06:06:17 PM EST
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Hmmm, what do you suppose he just whispered into her ear?  Certainly nothing along the lines of what McCain called his wife.

That picture is a lot sexier than anything Playboy can churn out.  You're right AP, fully clothed and not obvious always beats out someone who is trying way to hard to be sexy.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 06:54:39 PM EST
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Hmmm, what do you suppose he just whispered into her ear? Hmmmm...indeed!

That picture is a lot sexier than anything Playboy can churn out.
That's the second thing I thought about--it could never touch this. Nothing about this picture looks artificial or contrived or gratuitous.

Wow. Nothing in their campaign is "ordinary" (in the sense of what we've come to expect to from Dems) and that's fantastic.

Smash the mold into dust; sweep it up and sprinkle the dusty bits into the ocean!

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 10:32:29 PM EST
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That photo is on a button that reads Michelle for First Lady.
by Cee on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 09:45:23 PM EST
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That's wow!  I'm going to go plant a big one on mr. fab right now!

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Apr 8th, 2008 at 12:25:19 AM EST
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That's foul. I'd beat his ass or die trying. You don't get so angry that you call your wife a trollop and...the c-word--and in public. I can't even type it. Disgusting!

And let me ask something: Just why the hell is this son and grandson of admirals so full of anger? Since he was a teenager? What did he ever have to be angry about back then? And why hasn't he grown up?

It seems it's taken all of McCain's 71 years to equal half of Obama's wisdom--on a good day.  

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 01:39:13 PM EST
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What a way to start a day.

It is like Obama is reading my mind.  I knew we needed more ogganization and grassroots education. The media is afraid of that and will lie every day about Obama.

But people are smarter and they will see Obama is the real thing.  

Barack Obama could have wtitten his own ticket to however much he wanted to make coming out of college.

But he went to the Southside of Chicago, in the baddest part of town. Sorry, channeling Jim Croce.

But he worked for people and that is what will make him a greqt President.

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain

by skeeters2525 on Mon Apr 7th, 2008 at 02:05:39 PM EST


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