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by BooMan
Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:03:52 PM EST

Do you think John McCain can succeed with his effort to be a maverick on environmental issues?

Open Thread | 17 comments (17 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

I think he will sell out his so called beliefs on that as quick as he has ever other "maverick" issue in his career. The man is a professional liar and cannot be trusted in any way, shape or form. He actually scares me more than Bush because he is intelligent and knows exactly what he is doing.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:11:22 PM EST

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I think his constituency will dwindle to hardcore republicans and white racists. I can't see his appeal beyond those groups.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:19:30 PM EST

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but what kind of hard-core Republicans?

Southern Baptists and Mormons?
Economic/low regulation (Wall Street/Main Street) Republicans?
Leave me alone Republicans?

McCain has problems will all three.

by BooMan on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:24:26 PM EST
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It's not so much whether he has problems with them as whether they have problems with him. Can you elaborate on your statement?

Oh, and by the way, you have mail.

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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:30:26 PM EST
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Beep! Beep! (none / 0)

One of the three members of the conservative coalition (social, fiscal, foreign policy [neo- and paleo- branches]) was going to be left out in the cold since McCain doesn't belong to any of them and his VP pick will only salve at most two of the three factions. It appears that the SoCons are about to be thrown under the bus...

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by Oscar In Louisville on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:33:14 PM EST
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Actually - I think McCain appeals to 'mainstream' Republicans - they perceive him as not as extreme as many in their party, and he's been willing to stand up to his party on some issues. So I think he'll be formidable in that area, but the extremies will not like him. (They may still vote for him, however, since they'll think Obama is the devil's spawn!)

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:58:00 PM EST
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Republicans seem to be successful at convincing nearly everyone Democrats are weak on national security issues. They even have some Democrats convinced. I think an equivalant dynamic is in place regarding Republicans and the environment. Democrats have successfully portrayed Republicans as at best indifferent to environmental concerns. Likewise even a few Republicans believe this of themselves. Unfortunately there's currently more to be gained by being seen as tough on foreigners than tough on polluters. As our oil woes magnify and the need to resort to coal and nuclear increase polluters will be given even more leeway.

by steve duncan on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:43:14 PM EST

Simnple Answer to a Simple Question (none / 0)

No.

Brendan Calling John Mccain

by brendan on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:46:17 PM EST

McCain's Home State and ASARCO (none / 0)

Asarco Works
...
As much as ASARCO contributed to the local economy, it also contributed to a heavily polluted environment. No one could miss the great clouds of emissions and the noxious odors coming from the plant across from UTEP. According to historian Leon Metz in his book "El Paso Chronicles," when ASARCO was built, the smelter was "several miles from the city, and no one suspected the fumes would eventually become a nuisance." Metal particulates and gas are highly visible, can remain suspended in the atmosphere for a considerable time and can be transported for long distances -- and they were.

A PHOENIX RISING FROM ASHES
By filing their cases, ASARCO and its subsidiaries expect to complete negotiations of a plan that will restructure ASARCO's balance sheet, channel all asbestos-related claims against the Debtors to a trust, and allow ASARCO to emerge from bankruptcy a more profitable company.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:47:49 PM EST

ASARCO Bankruptcy to Shirk Cleanup (none / 0)

GAO blasts Superfund enforcement: Companies with money woes could follow Asarco and try to shirk cleanups, report says

The agency's lawyers are trying to determine the company's liabilities site by site and are expected to pursue EPA's claims in federal bankruptcy court.

"Corporate polluters who try to pull this kind of disappearing act after they've contaminated our neighborhoods and put our health at risk need to be held accountable. There's more this administration could be doing to hold Asarco and other companies like it responsible for the harm they've done," Cantwell (D) said.

The Superfund, created in 1980, is the nation's top federal program to clean up dangerously polluted sites. When a "responsible party" for a cleanup could not be found, money from the Superfund was used. The cash came from a special tax on oil and chemical producers and an environmental tax on corporations.

But the tax was allowed to lapse in 1995 and the trust fund used to pay for the cleanup is almost empty. Every year, Congress has provided about $1 billion in general tax funds to continue the work.

There are now more than 1,230 sites listed for cleanup under the Superfund program. It is estimated that the 142 largest toxic sites could cost $20 billion to clean. The EPA is already wholly or partially funding cleanup of 60 of these large sites, the GAO report said.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 05:28:25 AM EST
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It's all a sham (none / 1)

McCain simply cannot be totally against regulation of any kind and then say he is for the environment. It just can't be reconciled. He's opposed any environmental rules in trade treaties, in antitrust or in federal regulation of industries. Can't be both.

Michaela

by michaelmt (MrMichael_t@yahoo.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:52:14 PM EST

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Here in Ohio our state motto is "With God, all things are possible".

Well, to paraphrase that:

"With the unwavering help of our corporate media, all things are possible"

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:01:29 PM EST

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Nope, he'll be the first one on the bandwagon to open ANWR to massive drilling once he gets a nudge from ExxonMobil.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:27:47 PM EST

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st. john?

when he has the likes of carly fiorina as his chief financial surrogate, she of the hillary-esque quote:

" Fiorina said that she couldn't name a credible economist who supports the idea of a gas-tax holiday.
"I don't think it matters. I'm a business person," she said, saying that economists' arguments are too theoretical, and don't address the everyday budgetary realities facing Americans."

joe LIEberman as his primary spokesman, water-carrier and co-sponsor of the "cap and trade" bill...an abomination in itself...not to mention his continuing problems with all the lobbyists associated, even briefly with his campaign.

l think the answer to that question is a succinct NO.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:29:46 PM EST

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Cap and trade not workable.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:54:05 PM EST
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I just got an email from MoveOn.org. They picked their Obama ad. It was one of my favorites in the voting process.

by RandyH on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:38:02 PM EST

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It depends...the brand.

MaCain will want to shed the "maverick" title during this campaign.He's now going to have Bob Barr.

On environmental issues, he's not credible...out of step.

Obama has already noted: via Ben Smith

"You don't have to look further than the wind turbine plant where Senator McCain is speaking today to assess his commitment to this cause. While Senator McCain talks about the need to invest in alternative energy, he rejected the single biggest investment in renewable energy in history, including incentives that contributed to a nearly 50% increase in wind power generation last year, and he has repeatedly opposed renewable fuel mandates and higher fuel efficiency standards for cars and trucks."

So far he's having a whole heap of fun with the gang of lobbyists that's in charge of his campaign.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:11:42 PM EST

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