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Why Grand Rapids?

by northanger on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:21:19 PM EST

Gotta show some love to the Mitten state.

by BooMan on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:23:16 PM EST
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Works for me. I'm a Wolverine fan. Go Blue!

by northanger on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:30:34 PM EST
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just heard...it's about time.

it is apparently sans elizabeth's approval according to AP.

be interesting to see where his 19 delegates go.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:23:51 PM EST

Elizabeth NOT endorsing Obama (none / 0)

I'm kinda worried about this. She sounds like she can't stand Obama, and can't see any kind of compromise with him and health care.

We'll just see.

An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:20:10 PM EST
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Re: Elizabeth NOT endorsing Obama (none / 1)

I don't get that she cannot stand Obama. She disagrees with his health plan.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:25:32 PM EST
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Re: Elizabeth NOT endorsing Obama (none / 1)

I read that Obama and Elizabeth actually had a shouting match about his health care plan. Everyone's going to be parsing any statement from her extra-closely. It's kind of interesting.

by Sprocket77 on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM EST
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Re: Elizabeth NOT endorsing Obama (4.00 / 3)

Who wrote that?

By the way, I'm still waiting to see how any legislation that mandates that a citizen must buy private health insurance from a private company is constitutional. Do I get to vote on who's on the board of Humana? If not, it sounds like taxation without representation.

Better to go straight to a single-payer. You pay the government, the government hands out the payment to the providers, the insurance companies invest in oil.

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:26:21 PM EST
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Not everyone (4.00 / 2)

I, for one, don't give two shits what Elizabeth Edwards thinks or says. Why? When has she held an office? When has anything she's done impacted legislation? She's nothing but a more higher profile nobody like me. She ranked as Reason #2 on my list of Why I Won't Ever Vote for John Edwards. The thing that's funny to me, is that it seems that Bill Clinton's turned into Elizabeth Edwards on the stump after the Potomac Primaries. Yet, she's given unwarranted deference and he's called crazy. I think they're both nuts.

Blogging While Brown Convention Atlanta, GA July 25-27, 2008

by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:43:22 PM EST
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Re: Not everyone (none / 0)

I think they are both nuts too. For a long time I thought I was the only one who thought Elizabeth ... had problems.

off topic: lots of people are saying nice things about you in this thread. Someone else probably already told you, but just in case they didn't ...

Help me raise money for Jay Nixon, the next Democratic governor of Missouri

by maryb2004 on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:15:17 PM EST
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Re: Not everyone (none / 1)

What - no one misses getmeoutofdixie?

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:27:54 PM EST
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She thinks he's arrogant and aloof (none / 0)

...this I don't get. Of course, we've not experienced the snooty Obama yet either.

An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:20:40 PM EST
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"Arrogant" and "Aloof"... (4.00 / 3)

...are often code words for "uppity"

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:08:42 PM EST
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Re: She thinks he's arrogant and aloof (none / 1)

The guy is a private person. Read his book and you'll understand him more. People often mistake private people for being aloof or cold, when they're really just introspective.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:36:27 AM EST
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I can't wait for one ex-friend in particular to flip out over this. She was hardcore Edwards, but thought for sure Edwards was supporting Clinton. Hee-hooooh!!!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:28:50 PM EST

NARAL Endorses Obama -- Hillary Spokesperson Is "Surprised"

two biggies today and two surprises for Clinton:

"They said the board decided to back Obama over Clinton because he is overwhelmingly favored to win the nomination and to heal what the organization viewed as a growing rift between black voters and white female activists that the protracted Clinton-Obama contest may have caused."
On the Hillary conference call, Hillary spokesperson was asked about NARAL's choice. "Surprised, would be my response," Wolfson said. "I think Senator Clinton's leadership on advocacy and choice issues is second to none."

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:14:51 PM EST
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And the Emily's List people don't like it, for sure. "It'll hurt Hillary's feelings...", etc.

by Sprocket77 on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:33:56 PM EST
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I had pretty much the same argument with a friend! Except this guy's still a friend. dammit. I already hear people chattering about Obama/Edwards '08. Again. This is gonna give Hillary a migraine.

by Sprocket77 on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:25:04 PM EST
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Edwards said recently that he does not want to run as VP ever again, so I think that's out. But he may have a cabinet position in mind. Maybe a new cabinet position both Hillary and Barack have talked about creating - one aimed at reducing poverty. Who knows what they'd call it.

by RandyH on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:52:16 PM EST
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I hear that it's Attorney General... (none / 1)

now THAT would give a lot of people headaches.

An untypical Negro

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:22:53 PM EST
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They are furious and bitter.

How much could they have supported him to turn on him like they are?

by Cee on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:12:17 PM EST
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I think there are quite a few former-Edwards-now-Hillary supporters who were sure Edwards was backing her who've gotten an unwelcome surprise today.

by CabinGirl on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:30:14 PM EST
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...Like the gang at Correntewire. I haven't gone over there to see how they're taking it. Those Hillary-worship sites creep me out.

by RandyH on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:38:21 PM EST
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They are a bit creepy...and even worse is when I see old familiar names over there screaming the F-word, cursing Edwards, and vowing to vote McCain over this.

And the hysteria over Obama mistakenly calling someone sweetie from people who are swearing to vote for a man who calls his wife a trollop and a c-word...it defies common sense.

by CabinGirl on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:06:57 PM EST
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We missed the sweetie business. What happened?

by Heart of the Rockies on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:40:15 PM EST
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Here you go.

More minutiae...

by CabinGirl on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 10:01:43 PM EST
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I will say most of the Edwards supporters around here switched to Obama..Thank goodness.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST
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Yup! And I'm delighted Edwards finally caught up with his supporters.

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts - Bertrand Russell

by Psyche on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 11:20:37 PM EST
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I am so thrilled!!!!! Now we just need Gore to endorse and close this mess.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:35:53 PM EST

John Edwards' endorsement, coming so late to the wagon, is a message in and of itself - Obama's success is even more stunning.

Obama became the presumptive nominee without the two big hunchos' endorsement that pundits claimed he needed.

Great.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:44:08 PM EST
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Edwards said he did this today to help the unifying progress. He thinks it's time we all get behind Obama. He liked him but didn't know if he had the experience, if he was electable. Well, he was electable in the majority of contests so far - that's good enough for him and me both.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:56:16 PM EST
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Gore (none / 1)

Yes . . . and the Gore endorsement needs to be rolled out in FLORIDA!!!!!

by The Caped Composer on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:59:06 PM EST
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Why is Edwards going on and on about Hillary?

It was painful when the audience booed.

by Cee on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:47:53 PM EST

But when they listened he did have a lot to say and as much as some might hate to admit it. Hillary has done a lot of good but Barack Obama is the person we need to be our next president.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:53:42 PM EST
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Cee, had the same response to that reaction. But thought Edwards handled it well, moving the audience with him &c. Saying what he thought needed to be said.

by northanger on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:10:33 PM EST
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Nice - "... one America, not two. And that man is Barack Obama!"

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:55:05 PM EST

I wish I had a TV! Is this streaming on the tubes, anyone?

by eeblet on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:58:19 PM EST

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/14/edwards.obama/index.html

Yes

top of the page click on watch live.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:02:09 PM EST
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Moving to CSPAN-3 to hear Obama - networks stopped covering.

by northanger on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:05:00 PM EST

Someone fainted in the crowd and Barack brought everyone's attention to it and also threw his bottle of water out to someone to give the person water.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:11:05 PM EST

He did that at a rally in Seattle too, which I thought was tres cool.

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:21:04 PM EST
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Edwards endorsing Obama?

He's just trolling for VP. He thinks that because he's white and came up working class in the south he can pull the votes that HRC has been pulling.

Let's hope Obama is smarter than that.

Edwards is wrong. The people being referenced will see through him, his unused work clothes AND his haircut and vote for McCain in a heartbeat. Unlike Hater Ed's take, I think that those people...my relatives in old-time working class Long Island and rural Maine, people I know REALLY well...are smart in a country sort of way.

They kin tell a faker a mile off, and they don't very much like 'em, neither.

Bet on it.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:31:02 PM EST

Re: Edwards is Endorsing Obama (4.00 / 4)

Edwards role in this, IMO, is to blunt the "Unity Ticket" madness - offering up a different narrative about the VP. It by no means obligates Obama to pick him, but it's something that the media can explore as a different option to unify the party, destroying the argument that Hillary is the only VP choice that would unify the party.

That frees Obama to choose neither Clinton nor Edwards...

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 07:57:07 PM EST
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Edwards doesn't want VP. Not sure if he could help the ticket anyway.

Still, it would be nice to have some of his delegates announce for Obama.

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:33:26 PM EST
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Edwards doesn't want VP?

You think not?

On what evidence?

The timing of this endorsement is PERFECT.

White southern so-called working class boy in place of HRC.

What could be more obvious?

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:19:42 PM EST
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On what evidence?

Reuters April 3, 2008 headline: John Edwards says would not accept VP nomination

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:38:12 PM EST
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You mean you believe what pols say? (none / 0)

On what evidence?

Ever.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 11:49:14 PM EST
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When I first saw your comment signature . . . (none / 0)

. . . I thought you were answering your own question by implying that Edwards wants to be the next AG-- Attorney General! And that may well be true.

by The Caped Composer on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 10:02:41 PM EST
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Let us pray.

I personally think that Edwards could lose it for Obama.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:17:34 PM EST
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I don't think he'd lose it for him, but I don't think he gets Obama anything that Kaine, Sebelius or Richardson couldn't get him.

If he helps Obama to get away from the amazingly stupid idea of a unity ticket with the Nut Case, then it will be an endorsement well worth the effort.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:32:28 PM EST
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Regionally, I don't see how Edwards would bring much that those other Veep candidates could. However, Edwards is great on the stump. He has broad popularity. Now it's possible he could lend those qualities to the general election campaign for Obama even if he's not on the ticket.

by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:39:29 PM EST
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Contra Obama/Edwards (none / 0)

If the ticket were Obama-Edwards and I were a GOP strategist then I would create a series of ads asking, "Where's the beef?" That attacks their (relative) youth and inexperience - and alludes to their relatively thin frames (somewhat subtlety insinuating a lack of manliness) - while encouraging positive feelings about the pugnacious, elderly inquisitor - at least for anyone who was around in the 80's and remembers the Wendy's commercials.

For reasons many and sundry Obama won't pick Edwards for the VP.

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:46:26 PM EST
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Re: Contra Obama/Edwards (none / 0)

I can see your point about the angle the Repubs might take to discredit an Obama/Edwards ticket. I'm leaning toward Richardson or Bob Graham as a Veep pick. Still, if Obama is considering including Edwards in his administration in any way, he would be an asset campaigning in the general.

by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:55:45 PM EST
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Re: Contra Obama/Edwards (none / 0)

As a native Floridian, I love Bob Graham, but he's very old. And I know this is shallow, but he's a terribly clumsy speaker (even more so than Peyote Bill).

And he looks like a hamster.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 10:13:57 PM EST
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Re: Contra Obama/Edwards (none / 0)

A lot of native Floridians love Bob Graham. His experience as Governor and Senator, especially his work on the Intelligence Committee, could lend gravitas to an Obama administration (even if not as Veep). As you note, he's no movie star or steller speaker -- there's certainly no risk he'd come close to overshadowing the top of the ticket.

by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 12:18:33 PM EST
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Great on the stump!!!???

Broad popularity!!!???

That's why he came in so lame.

Give me a break.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 11:47:47 PM EST
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If that were Edwards' intent, I'm sure he's earned not only Obama's but Howard Dean's gratitude.

Let's move this thing forward, already.

by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 09:44:34 PM EST
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Edwards did several things. For himself he brought his own platform designs back into the spotlight. For Obama he opened up the door a goodly amount that H's exit should indeed be imminent and that she can be allowed the badge of job well fought (cough).

His angle may be a legacy of the guy who led toward a unified party again.

by mainsailset on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 08:19:20 PM EST