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by BooMan
Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:43:19 PM EST

Oliver Willis is kryptonite to stupid.

Open Thread | 42 comments (42 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Speaking of stuck on stupid... (4.00 / 3)

Now this one just boggles the mind in its stupidity.

Superdelegates Turned Down $1 Million Offer From Clinton Donor

One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top financial supporters offered $1 million to the Young Democrats of America during a phone conversation in which he also pressed for the organization's two uncommitted superdelegates to endorse the New York Democrat, a high-ranking official with YDA told The Huffington Post.
Haim Saban, the billionaire entertainment magnate and longtime Clinton supporter, denied the allegation. But four independent sources said that just before the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, Saban called YDA President David Hardt and offered what was perceived as a lucrative proposal: $1 million would be made available for the group if Hardt and the organization's other uncommitted superdelegate backed Clinton.

Yes, this man was trying to bribe YDA.

The mind whirls. Really, this is just asinine. Let's please drop these stupid MFs post haste and take their delusional spew-bots with them. We don't need our own version of crooks and freepers.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:33:49 PM EST

The smell of desperation... (none / 0)

the Borg Queen's minions promise a convention floor fight, but this episode shows how weak they are. I'd like to see them dare one, based on this kind of pipsqueak, slimy behavior.

An untypical Negro

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by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:09:35 PM EST
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I wonder if the New York Times will tire of Bill Kristol's hackery?

by BooMan on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:54:44 PM EST

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The NYT has really gone down the tube.

Ol' Oliver hit a nerve with Armando there.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:06:01 PM EST
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What happened? .. (none / 0)

Armando blowing a gasket again?

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:37:51 PM EST
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I realize now I wasn't missing much when the NYT website was fee for service. The opinion writers are a disappointing bunch as a whole, Dowd, Krugman, Kristol, Friedman, ugh. I wonder how others think they stack up against the WaPo writers, which I tend to favor (although they have Novakula)?

by RollaMO on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:37:03 PM EST
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completely O/T - do you ever get up to St. Louis? We're going to have a picnic in June - bloggers, drinking liberally etc. The afternoon of June 21. Very casual.

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:31:49 PM EST
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I do get up there frequently - but on June 21 we're vacationing in Grant Teton (then Yellowstone). Raincheck but keep me in the loop!

by RollaMO on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:41:48 PM EST
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Too bad - but it sounds like a GREAT vacation. Bring back pictures.

We'll probably do something after Labor Day too. We usually do something twice a year.

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:57:58 PM EST
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heh

For once it was worth reading comments just to see Armando go on record that Jeralyn uses RW talking points.

I put TL back on my RSS feed after NC. Jeralyn is less annoying in defeat.

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:24:37 PM EST
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I'm beginning to worry that something about writing for the front page of this blog makes people go completely insane. Not just a little bit nuts, but lying naked in a pile of salted peanuts, fucking nuts. You and Steven seem fine, but I worry about myself. I'm weak. Should I have myself tested? If so, for what?

by Chris on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:20:46 PM EST

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Don't worry, it was clear you were insane before you took the front page gig. All those pandas ... :)

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:26:04 PM EST
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Pshaw! I was the most well adjusted person you had ever come into contact with when I first came here...And, by the way, pandas are old school. They've been co-opted. I've moved on to moose.

by Chris on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:48:33 PM EST
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Aha! The truth comes out that a certain critically acclaimed novelist is being distracted by reading blogs when she should be finishing her next novel! You, you ... distracter .. you!

(If that certain critically acclaimed novelist happens to be distracting herself by reading this blog she should know that I just finished Louise Erdrich's new novel and that made me think of her and wonder when her new book would be coming out.)

ok - that little moose was cute.

"the most well adjusted person". hmmmm. I'm not sure that's the description I would have used. Although I did enjoy our late night Gilmore Girls conversations.

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:03:49 PM EST
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by ask on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:48:57 PM EST
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If nothing else, that was unexpected. Moose are no joke.

by Chris on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:45:06 AM EST
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I'm confused... (none / 0)

Are you saying I'm completely insane and have gone fucking nuts?

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by stand strong (sceneinphilly@yahoo.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:19:32 PM EST
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Only if it would make you happy. I haven't looked at your case yet. So tell me, are you completely insane?

by Chris on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:25:54 PM EST
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You tell me - you cited my posts.

Scene In Philly - A Philadelphia based photoblog

by stand strong (sceneinphilly@yahoo.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:27:29 PM EST
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And actually, more to the point, if I had to make a wild guess about what I meant, it would probably be that the subject of your posts (assuming you are who I think you are) is, in point of fact, completely insane and totally fucking nuts. But that just a guess as to what I was thinking. I'm not a mind reader. Make more sense?

by Chris on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:31:16 PM EST
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And I find this case made more compelling by the fact that, like myself, the subject of your posts used to write for the front page of this website. If you ever did, I didn't know about it. Sorry. But, again, trying to piece together my own logic is difficult.

by Chris on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:34:36 PM EST
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So you mean the subject of the posts that I wrote and their applicable source(s), and not necessarily me for writing them?

That's where my confusion lies, as you wrote about how writing on the front-page makes people insane and "naked in a pile of salted peanuts - fucking nuts" (loved the visual, btw) and yet I'm saying to myself, "I don't write on the frontpage at Booman."

So I may be nuts and insane, but I don't write for Booman and I think that's where my confusion is centered around right now.

Scene In Philly - A Philadelphia based photoblog

by stand strong (sceneinphilly@yahoo.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:37:14 PM EST
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Yes! I think we're onto something here.

by Chris on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:59:29 PM EST
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Lol - talk about cognitive dissonance....

Heh

Scene In Philly - A Philadelphia based photoblog

by stand strong (sceneinphilly@yahoo.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:07:30 PM EST
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Yeah, it's official (none / 1)

Those people are poster children for stupid. They sound like the freepers, "Is it faked?" "How many were bused in?" And all their infantile excuses. Bleeech.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:21:30 PM EST

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Doesn't surprise me that Armando is basically writing the same thing that Bill Kristol is writing. As a commentator at Glenn Greenwald's place notes:

"Hillary Clinton lost Kansas to Obama by 49 points; lost DC by 51 points; lost Hawaii by 52 points; and lost Idaho by 62 points. So by Kristol's reasoning, Hillary Clinton -- just like Obama -- couldn't possibly be a strong candidate because she lost some primaries by more than 41 points (granted, some of those were caucuses)."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/17/parker/index.html

Armanda is a fly in search of ointment to foul. And he appears destined to get stuck in my ointment.

by SFHawkguy on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:10:27 PM EST

Re: Open Thread: Bribery at full tilt (none / 0)

Stupid File: Buying superDs. Can you spell Bribery?

Superdelegates Turned Down $1 Million Offer From Clinton Donor
Nico Pitney and Sam Stein
One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top financial supporters offered $1 million to the Young Democrats of America during a phone conversation in which he also pressed for the organization's two uncommitted superdelegates to endorse the New York Democrat, a high-ranking official with YDA told The Huffington Post.
Haim Saban, the billionaire entertainment magnate and longtime Clinton supporter, denied the allegation. But four independent sources said that just before the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, Saban called YDA President David Hardt and offered what was perceived as a lucrative proposal: $1 million would be made available for the group if Hardt and the organization's other uncommitted superdelegate backed Clinton.
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go take a read

not surprised.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:24:13 PM EST

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So sorry--great minds and all that.

:)

But this is a really, really breathtakingly stupid move.

More Kryptonite please. We're in dire need.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:36:07 PM EST
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Honored I'm AP, to be on the same page with you.

Be well.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:28:08 PM EST
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Worth reading - the 10 bad breaks/mistakes of the Clinton campaign:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/20/us/politics/20nagourney.html

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:14:39 PM EST

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Excuse me, eight. There were many more, but not in this article..! ;-)

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:15:21 PM EST
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Those are the lease of the problems (none / 1)

But it's interesting the rewriting of history on MI and FL...or rather, how much of what really happened was left out, notably how heavy a hand people from the Clinton's campaign had in those rules.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:55:23 PM EST
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I'm very aware of some rewriting of history concerning how FL and MI were moved forward (as well as out-in-out disinformation), but you've piqued my interest with your "heavy hand" comment -- can you tell me more?

I am aware -- in a general sense -- of the Clinton's influence on the DNC, and I've written about the attempted coup by Carville, Begala, et al, against Dean immediately after the 2006 election, which seemed an obvious attempt to stack the deck in Clinton's favor before the 2008 election, but I'm not privy to all the details of the Clinton camp's influence, if any, in the "stampede."

Some of the stampede was due to the state parties' efforts (besides legislatures, and of the opposite party is cases), but I'd like to be able to be able to answer the question of whether the frontloading was part of the Clinton campaign's plan.

"..the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. .. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked.." - Goering

by colinski on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 07:43:24 PM EST
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Someone else agrees with me: Clinton's not a feminist candidate by any stretch of the imagination.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:37:06 PM EST

Re: Open Thread: Urget Memo to Obama Camp (none / 0)

OMG: Please say 'No, we can't' to this overture.

Former Hillary Campaign Manager Considering Working For Obama
Patti Solis Doyle, one of the closest of Hillary confidantes, is informally discussing the possibility of working for Obama in the general election. Already.
That the woman who actually coined the expression "Hillaryland" would be discussing this at this juncture -- when the official position of the Hillary campaign is that this thing is far from over -- is pretty striking.
Indeed, here's what Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson had to say when asked about this:
"I intend to be working in the general election for Sen. Clinton," said Wolfson. "I find any other speculation offensive."

No, NO.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:37:26 PM EST

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"I intend to be working in the general election for Sen. Clinton," said Wolfson. "I find any other speculation offensive."

Because Clinton's still the presumptive nominee, amirite? Also, I'm calling it now - Clinton's going to be on the ballot as an independent.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:57:01 PM EST
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Going independent (none / 0)

You know, that really wouldn't surprise me at all.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:58:54 PM EST
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Take Wolfson's comment as reacting to Judas meme..if you're not for us, you're a Judas.

HRC's Time chart has expired...as in political future. Her campaign imploded, ( btw as predicted in 2004). If she runs, she'll lose.

Her negatives are there. Even her soft supporters would find such a move stunning. LIEberman will be her running mate?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:51:27 PM EST
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She doesn't need to win. She doesn't even need to spend much on the race. She just needs to peel enough support away from Obama that he loses.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?

by Egarwaen on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:59:31 PM EST
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she doesn't need to win?

So what's the point of running, to spite the Party? Where would that leave her power base?

Seriously without a home. That's political suicide.

And she needs to raise funds to run as an Independent.

starting from a baseline of $25 million debt before the WVA, KY, Oregon and PR races. Watch how quickly her donors desert her.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:49:06 PM EST
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Come now (none / 0)

Solis Doyle will be great (wo)manning a registration booth or doing door-to-door.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:57:54 PM EST
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Let's Go Red Wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Visit me at Tunnel Traveller

by Teacher Toni (tacoralatyahoodotcom) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:31:24 PM EST

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