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I agree--completely.

Follow your bliss

by Ignod on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:11:21 PM EST
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Tremendous point. I totally agree.

Follow your bliss

by Ignod on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:10:04 PM EST
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Hillary Clinton, the Nora Desmond of politics.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:49:22 PM EST

a 4 for the obscure reference...and nora desmond is dead

killer skit c. 1973±...and very apropos.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:11:09 PM EST
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Don't miss this one, on the same theme!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:14:59 AM EST
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I've said it before. I don't think that H. Clinton is acting on behalf of her supporters, or even for her vain hopes for President. I think at some point the people she really represents, those folks who put 109 million dollars in her bank account, told her that since she can't win she needs to bloody up Obama for the GE. Who knows, maybe she got the same message that they sent to Rushbo.

by Bob In Pacifica on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:45:05 PM EST

At least he admits she is getting her speaking points from Karl Rove.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:04:57 PM EST

This is really kewl.

by BooMan on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:08:37 PM EST
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Re: Reporting Delusions (4.00 / 3)

that is going to be a powerful message to all the indian nations...especially in the mtn west and southwest...they've been getting screwed by the govt for many, many moons.

chalk up anoter bloc of voters who, in large measure, have never thought that their participation mattered.

the more l see of his campaign, the more impressed l become. there hasn't been a movement to a candidate of this magnitude since fdr [ims]

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:42:26 PM EST
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So we take all their land, and hundreds of years later no presidential candidate or president has had the decency to visit these folks before?

Jesus.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:50:11 PM EST
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I noted that (none / 0)

That's actually kind of surprising to me. It seems like such a "duh" thing to do. That's depressing.

Blogging While Brown Convention Atlanta, GA July 25-27, 2008

by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:27:03 PM EST
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OMG this is incredible!!!!

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:14:19 PM EST
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One Who Helps People Throughout the Land

I like that.

And that he vowed to honor the treaties.

Help me raise money for Jay Nixon, the next Democratic governor of Missouri

by maryb2004 on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:19:43 PM EST
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Good for you, Barack Obama, good for you. Recognition of the first Americans and respect for ancient treaties, two reasons for the Great Spirit to shower you with his blesings.

Amen

Follow your bliss

by Ignod on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:00:54 PM EST
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I agree with all of your comments.....What a terrrrrrific thing to do as a presidential candidate.

by BrendaStewart (stormyweather1@hotmail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 10:23:09 PM EST
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From a crassly political standpoint, this is great. The Crows are a huge minority in south central and southeastern Montana. I had several Crow friends when I lived in Billings. Granted they're still small potatoes in the grand scheme of things -- the Crows would be about 1% of the state's population if all of them lived in Montana, which they don't -- but this is a signal to other Native American tribes.

I have to wonder about the specifics of it, though. I mean, not too long ago the Lakota declared themselves to be a free and sovereign nation. I have to wonder what will become of that? And the various tribes that have for one reason or another been declared extinct and legislated out of existence?

Still, this sounds good and I hope he follows through.

"This is Barack Obama's party now." -- Chuck Todd

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:43:43 AM EST
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From the late 1940s through the early 1960s, known as the period of Termination, over a hundred tribes were "legislated out of existence." However, since Kennedy and Nixon ended Termination, nearly all of these tribes have been legislated back into existence. The trouble is that some of them, particularly in the NW, lost their tribal lands in the process.

As for the Lakota as a "free and sovereign nation" - Indian tribes have always been considered sovereign nations, although especially in the later 19th and early 20th century this was regarded by the US government as a "legal fiction," i.e. without any practical consequences other than that they were competent to sign treaties and transfer land to the US. Only the SIx Nations Iroquois (whose territory, BTW, straddles the Canadian/US border) assertively exercised their sovereignty, sending representatives to the League of Nations, for example, and declaring war on Germany and Japan. Under FDR, the meaning of sovereignty was greatly expanded; the Termination period was of course going the other way, but since then the idea of tribal sovereignty has become firmly established in American law.

Thre are some other tribes that or traditional factions of those tribes that have always strongly exercised their sovereignty in various ways, such as at Hopi (AZ) or Red Lake (MN) and others.

However, sovereignty is understood in various ways. Every state is sovereign; they conduct their own affairs up to a point, but they are not free to conduct their own foreign policy, for example.

The Lakota, not to be confuesd with their relatives the Dakota and Nakota (all commonly called "Sioux") -- live on four different reservations -- Standing Rock, Pine Ridge, Rosebud, and Cheyenne River.

by priscianus jr on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:45:35 AM EST
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"Every state is sovereign" -- I meant every state in the United States. Tribal sovereignty as it is understood today has often been compared with the sovereignty of the states of the United States.

by priscianus jr on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:48:38 AM EST
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I just finished reading this crap NYT article off to my roommate and then I see Booman linked it up. How can they argue with a straight face that Mich/Fl should count but those Caucus results are tainted?

Barack Black Eagle is awesome.

"The heart of darkness is the president. Nobody knows what he thinks, even the people who work for him."

by Mac G on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:31:11 PM EST

...and what would "declaring victory" accomplish? Everyone but the Clinton's has already conceded. Declaring victory won't change their minds and can only further alienate her supporters. Let her concede.

by Brad on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:51:17 PM EST

wrong thread. My bad.

by Brad on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:52:49 PM EST

No big deal, it's worth reading in EVERY thread.

nalbar

by nalbar (nalbarsatgmaildotcom) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:49:01 PM EST
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Please tell me I'm wrong, and that she's not going to drag this all the way to Denver.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:56:48 PM EST

Oh but she is even though a lot of her campaign staff has already been told they do not have a job after tomorrow.

Doing My Part For The Left,Left Of The Rainbow

by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:58:07 PM EST
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Got a link to that? Or are you just hearing that from your inside sources?

You don't fire large numbers of your campaign staff if things are going well, or if you think you're going to need them, oh, say in September.

"This is Barack Obama's party now." -- Chuck Todd

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:46:24 AM EST
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Has she fired, or is she firing, large numbers of people?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:25:02 AM EST
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that is sad, no style, no class, not graceful when losing.

by americanforliberty on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:58:41 PM EST

Here's the part I love:

"-If all states with popular vote totals are counted -- which would exclude four caucus states that have not released numbers..."

Funny how an argument for counting all the votes conspicuously doesn't include ALL the votes. But that's not surprising, we elitists in our caucus states weren't supposed to count anyways, as the Clinton campaign has repeatedly told us.

ad bellum purificandum - Kenneth Burke

by colinski on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:10:23 AM EST

To bad she didn't fight like this (none / 0)

To bad she didn't fight like this for her Healthcare Bill

Fullerg

by fullerg on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:50:15 AM EST

Re: To bad she didn't fight like this (none / 0)

Historical note: She lost her Healthcare Bill too.

by Bob In Pacifica on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:16:44 AM EST
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Re: To bad she didn't fight like this (none / 0)

Yea I know . The Key distinction is she lost it because they did not fight for it .

Fullerg

by fullerg on Sun Jun 1st, 2008 at 02:03:29 PM EST
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