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Election Returns Thread

by BooMan
Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:43:34 PM EST

Discuss the election returns.



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I did my part, now let's see what the rest of the state did - under a 30-point loss and I'd be satisfied.

The Underground Railroad
by Oscar In Louisville on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:18:48 PM EST
by Ed J on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:02:27 PM EST
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Gallup                                            

Key Clinton Constituencies Moving Toward Obama

  • Obama Swamps Clinton Among Young Voters and Others

  • At the same time, support for Clinton among some of her traditionally stalwart support groups -- women, Easterners, whites, adults with no college education, and Hispanics -- has fallen below 50%.

  • Bottom Line

After nearly 20 grueling weeks on the campaign trail since he shook up the Democratic primary race by winning the Iowa caucuses, Obama has finally stretched his lead over his chief rival into the teens.

Having previously captured nearly the maximum level of support from black voters, Obama's latest gains have come from a broad spectrum of rank-and-file Democrats. At least for now, he has expanded his position as the preferred candidate of men, young adults, and highly educated Democrats, and has erased Clinton's advantages with most of her prior core constituency groups, including women, the less well-educated, and whites.



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:23:34 PM EST
Check out this week's This Modern World: The Strategist.

Hillary's only remaining (weak) argument for the Supers. Just don't say what it really is.

by RandyH on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:00:14 PM EST
Help!  How does one get the orange box around quotes, especially of paragraph length?  I don't know what hyper text mark up language to use.  I need it pretty simple too.

Many, many thanks.

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Daredevil Don on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:16:37 PM EST
add <blockquote> before the text and </blockquote> after the text you'd like in the box.

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by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:17:56 PM EST
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and bad at math besides.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:19:55 PM EST
Hillary opened with a nice statement re Ted Kennedy - he's always been here for us, so now we're here for him.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:25:17 PM EST
One nice moment in 18 months....not enough.  I am glad she was nice about Sen. Kennedy though.

Doing My Part For The Left
by refinish69 (refinish69 at gmail dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:36:48 PM EST
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Didn't Ted Kennedy endorse Obama? So Hillary is STILL lying.
by The Voice In The Wilderness on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:06:04 PM EST
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I can't believe her supporters were sitting there cheering each time she mentioned one her goalpost moving lines.  

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:34:23 PM EST
Unreality reigns supreme in that campaign.

I mean, they still supported her after Tuzla. That told me everything I needed to know.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:38:43 PM EST
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Check out Bill Clinton and Terry McAuliffe:

Bill Clinton, campaigning with his wife in Kentucky, dismissed Mr Obama's progress, pointing out his stance does not take account of results from Florida and Michigan's disputed primaries held in January. He said the only way Mr Obama could have a majority would be if he allowed the Democratic party leadership to "decapitate" the two states - both of which are likely battlegrounds in November's general election.

In her victory speech in Kentucky, Mrs Clinton reiterated that she was ahead of her rival in the popular vote, and insisted that she would stay in the race until the final primaries next month. "I am more determined than ever to see that every vote is cast," she told cheering supporters.

Terry McAuliffe, Mrs Clinton's campaign chairman, was asked by The Times if he really thought it feasible that she can win the 80 per cent of the remaining uncommitted super-delegates needed to wrench the nomination from Mr Obama's grasp.

"It's clearly do-able otherwise we wouldn't be here today," he said inside the Marriott Hotel in Louisville.

He added that super-delegates, who could still overturn the results of primaries and caucuses, are being canvassed every day but would not make up their minds until the final votes on June 3.

No joint ticket.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:42:10 PM EST
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Clinton won. Zzzzzzz...

We just gave another $150 at a wine tasting FR. And guess what?

There was also brie!!!! ((Gasp))

We'll have to cross the street for lattes. And we're on DuPont Circle--San Francisco east, for sure!

But whatever...CNN just reported that Obama reported 200K NEW donors!

This was not a good day today, so I'm gonna celebrate w/ some good folks. Cheers!

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:56:19 PM EST
Ugh...trying to type on a CrackBerry...!!!

We're gonna celebrate ANYWAY. Even in the face of a crappy day.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:18:37 PM EST
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Gah, I don't know how y'all here in DC get this Crackberry thing.  I can't stand typing on them.  Everybody told me typing on an iPhone would be much harder, but I found it easy.  Crackberries?  Nah gah do it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 07:36:30 AM EST
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It took a while. Granted, I practiced on Mr. AP's device first. I also resisted getting one.

Like everything else, it has its good points and bad. I don't like the feeling that I'm still tethered to the office, but if I need to sneak out, I can still be connected w/o missing a beat. I can also use it to get directions and read Booman Tribune on long trips. :) I really do.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 03:24:01 PM EST
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Hillary's position boggles my mind.  She insists MI and FL must be counted, yet has no problem throwing overboard any state that held a caucus.  What color is the sky in her world?
by SusanD on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:57:06 PM EST
The sky is a complimentary color to whatever pant suit she is wearing that day, of course.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joseph Welch, taking down Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
by BostonJoe on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:15:39 PM EST
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This, of course, after she rejected the Michigan Democratic Party delegate compromise to make the votes of Michigan count...

The Underground Railroad
by Oscar In Louisville on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:37:14 PM EST
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Without that rejection, she'd have no reason to be in the race at all. Now she can claim she's in it for Michigan, to the truly naive....

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:01:00 PM EST
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Oh, Oscar,Sweetie...you're actually expecting consistency from Hillary?

BTW, I called you "sweetie." Alert the media. And Mr. AP.

I'm sure I'm in trouble now...as soon as he stops laughing at this post as I'm typing it.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:09:45 PM EST
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Anyone have news on tonights race.  The other residents of BostonJoeVille are watching Dancing Stars.  I've got nada.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joseph Welch, taking down Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
by BostonJoe on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:16:57 PM EST
but interesting nonetheless.

rumoured potential obama running mate, gov. sebelius of kansas, just upped her liberal cred yesterday:

Sebelius vetoes bill requiring voters to show photo ID

TOPEKA | A bill requiring Kansas voters to show photo identification in 2010 elections was vetoed today by Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.
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.
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The governor also struck down another bill today that changed the way a vacancy is to be filled in the Congress. Currently, the governor appoints the replacement to fill an unexpired term of a U.S. senator or representative who resigns or dies in office. Under the bill vetoed today, an election would have been required.

kc star



the revolution will not be televised...
by dada on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:16:06 PM EST
First time I ever saw her was giving a Democratic response speech.  Was that the State of the Nation response, I think?  And she was great.  I love her.  I'd like that ticket.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joseph Welch, taking down Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
by BostonJoe on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:28:48 PM EST
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I thought that Democratic Response speech to the SOTU really sucked. But she has impressed me at other times. I'm not going to speculate on who Obama should pick for Veep though. It's his decision and he knows an awful lot more about what he's doing than I do.
by RandyH on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:47:45 PM EST
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Honestly, I don't recall an iota of substance of the speech.  But I was impressed by her manner, demeanor, personality.  The intangibles.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joseph Welch, taking down Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
by BostonJoe on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:51:08 PM EST
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She is impressive as a politician but I don't remember one bit of detail from the speech. The previous year they had Jim Webb give the speech and it was so KICK-ASS that I remember most of his points very clearly even today.
by RandyH on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 11:01:41 PM EST
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That was a strong speech in Iowa.

And the secret service agents with him look totally stressed because he dove into the crowd.

by maryb2004 on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:37:39 PM EST
Great speech. He just canceled out Hillary's BIG WIN!

And I really respect how complimentary he was to his formidable opponent - Hillary.

Now we wait and watch the Oregon win. But he got the awesome speech in before the 11 O'Clock news in the east.

We're learning that there are a few states loaded with scared racist white "working class" rednecks, but the vast majority of America's "white working class" proudly supports and votes for Obama. I wish the news media would report that. And why can't Hillary "close the sale" with anybody with an education?

by RandyH on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:45:22 PM EST
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I particularly liked how he took on John McCain.  His list of things that "change" stands for was a good touch.

His compliments will play well with midwestern Hillary supporters.  I'm sure the Hillary bloggers will hate it, but in real life the Hillary supporters I know are much more reasonable.  

by maryb2004 on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:48:27 PM EST
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Yes. The McCain stuff was good and the bit about how proud he is for his daughters to have been able to witness such a great, competitive run Hillary has put in and how proud all people should be for their daughters to be able to witness this. Powerful stuff.
by RandyH on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:59:52 PM EST
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kos has it up:

Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age.

Very true.  

by maryb2004 on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 11:01:44 PM EST
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SurveyUSA  has just come out with a poll from North Carolina for the General Election and these are the results:

          McCain 51
          Obama 43
          Hillary 49
          McCain 43
For more info here is the link:

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=89a1b144-de19-4715-bb6f-97b2e817a23b

by Micheline on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:42:50 PM EST
I gotta say -- I'll proudly support, vote for, work for and lose with Obama (though I don't see that happening) -- much more than the alternative left in this race.  For me, it is all about her process.  Poison.  At least to my sensibilities.  I'll take Obama and his infusion of hope and young voters and formally turned-off voters and the attempt to win by addition instead of division.  Fighting the good fight.  Maybe that's enough.  Win or lose.  Up or down.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir. At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" -- Boston Attorney Joseph Welch, taking down Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
by BostonJoe on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:49:13 PM EST
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You're in Michigan aren't you?  

Do you expect any fallout against the Dems from the whole MI / FL fiasco?

by maryb2004 on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:51:34 PM EST
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Well I am tired of losing. But I think that a lot of her supporters are pissed off with Obama. It seems like what is happening in this poll is the sore loser effect.
by Micheline on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 10:59:17 PM EST
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And her campaign actively courts and exploits the sore losers by inviting them on conference calls and insisting that she won't give up until McCain is president, um, I mean, the convention.
by CabinGirl on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 06:25:36 AM EST
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That was fast.
by maryb2004 on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 11:03:43 PM EST
Fox calls it.
by maryb2004 on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 11:09:09 PM EST
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"As everyone knows, as goes Kentucky, as goes the nation," Really?

Blue Tidal Wave
by Mac G on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 01:52:03 AM EST
Is that she's said that about about OH, PA and WV, too. She's like that smarmy guy in movies who uses the same lines to get into a girls pants and every morning says, "Sure, babe...I'll call you.  Now I've got a....thing to do."

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 10:55:15 AM EST
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Hillary's campaign wins the race on debt:

$31 million debt pile, filed late so as not to take the air out of a meaningless win in KY.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 08:43:23 AM EST
The LA Times messed up their math and have corrected the article.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 10:56:34 AM EST
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I think the scenario of Clinton supporters claiming they'll sit out or vote for McCain should Obama get the nod is real, not the passing disappointment and anger many project. The numbers polling with that intention are too high for it all to dissipate. I find it incomprehensible a liberal/progressive/Democratic woman would pull the lever for McCain, a man if elected surely in a position to entrench 2-3 more rabidly conservative members on SCOTUS. Does it matter to these Clinton supporters the damage that would do to women's rights, the environment, civil rights, the courts down the line and generally the entire judiciary for generations to come? Evidently not. To explain they haven't thought it all out and hence their attitude says little for their intellect. They're no better than the recent votes in Appalachia primaries speak of those citizens, avoiding Obama in large numbers out of obvious racial animus. Between lacking the support of bigots and sore losers Obama may very well lose the election. That he needs the votes of such small, petty people is just as maddening. Democrats will deserve the wreckage they create if that happens.
by steve duncan on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 08:57:35 AM EST
Clinton is not delusional, and she's not an idiot. She sees this meme flowing through her half of the Democratic Party and she does next to nothing to discourage it.

It's intentional. She is trying to destroy the Democratic Party. What should that tell everyone?

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 09:18:58 AM EST
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Yup. We all said. Billary will destroy this party if they can't get their way. Period. And that's what you see on display here.

It is disgusting that she puts on this "Avenging Feminist Fighter" act only because she needs something. And that too many people are falling for it. Exasperating.

But it is what it is. Nobody said it would be easy, and we shouldn't be surprised that "change" would also mean that we'd have to change the Dem party, too. So we're just going to have to win this thing without them.

Let's get to work.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 03:30:17 PM EST
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Kind of like cutting off your foot (leg) to cure your corns.
 Well written, Steven, and right to the point - as always.

(I just wanted to use the orange box.)

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Daredevil Don on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 11:39:59 AM EST
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hehehe, glad you were able to master the code.  if you ever have any other questions, drop a comment in one of the Cafe/Lounge threads at the top of the page and someone will be around to help you out.  

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz
by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail dot com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 11:52:37 AM EST
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Hey Latino Politico, thanks again.

Friendship is a jewel in the crown of creation.

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Daredevil Don on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 05:10:51 PM EST
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