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RBC Live Blogging II

by BooMan
Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:05:06 PM EST

Lanny Davis is out of his freaking mind.

Update [2008-5-31 18:16:13 by BooMan]: The long lunch is over. Let's see what they've come up with.



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Well, it looks exactly like I've been calling it. She's in it to bloody up Obama, just like Rush has been doing.

That's the game. Clinton's in the bag for the corporatists. Her loyalty to class is above party loyalty.

by Bob In Pacifica on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:18:44 PM EST
Are you ready to witness the rawest exertion of power unfold on your teevee?

This is the cigar filled room with a live feed on CSPAN.  The fly on the wall fantasy, come true.  

by BooMan on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:07:22 PM EST
The rawest exertion of power?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:37:58 PM EST
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Oh yeah.  It's so nasty that they can't even end their lunch and get on with business.

I wonder what the Clintons are offering for votes.

by BooMan on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:45:25 PM EST
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Good point.  They're about half an hour late.  Might be quite a fight back there.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:46:53 PM EST
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So what do you think we get as a result for Florida, Boo?  The Ausman proposal?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:47:35 PM EST
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I really have no idea.  It depends on whether the chip in Bill Clinton's cell phone heats up to supernova proportions or not.
by BooMan on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:17:34 PM EST
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The Clintons will hold out for 100% delegates seating with 100% votes.

No way!!! Florida broke the rules. Besides, even if she got that, she still wouldn't win.

Leslie

by Muons on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:03:53 PM EST
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lots of freaks wondering around: via TNR

Scenes From Today's RBC Hillary Protest

Justine, a self-described "diehard Democrat" from Greensboro, North Carolina, objects to the write-in idea. "It's gonna help Barack if you don't vote against him," she says. She and her friends got Sinclair to autograph their copies of the "Murder, Drugs, Gay Sex" flier. One of those friends, Jeannie, is living proof that, at least for some people, the long primary has done its damage. "When [Obama] first came out, we just thought he was too young," she explains. "But now I don't think he's qualified at all."

It's easy to sink into despair here. Standing and watching all these Democrats chat up Sinclair--who's retained Montgomery Blair Sibley as his lawyer and says the Republican National Committee has also been in touch with him--makes me want to fall to my knees, rend my garments, and start insanely screaming, "Wake up! Wake up! You'll hate a President John McCain!" But the rhetoric from the top has imparted its poison below, and the bitterest criticisms of Obama gain traction as they circulate through the virulently-pro-Hillary echo chamber. "Would you rather have a president who had an affair [Bill Clinton] or one who was a murderer [Obama]?" Jeannie, the Greensboro Democrat, asks a fellow in a floppy Tilley hat and Hillary buttons. "That's a good point," he replies.

Following instructions from Obama HQ, almost no Obama supporters have shown up to protest, amplifying the impression of the alternate Hillary universe. But around the edges, a few small signs of the other universe peek through, the one in which Barack Obama leads and most Democrats don't suspect him of multiple felonies. Inside the Marriott's gift shop, the sales clerk tells me that Democratic bumper stickers have been selling like crazy today. "Mostly Hillary?" I ask.

"Actually, mostly Obama," she giggles.

These are Hillary supporters spewing BS. The reporter is right. Poison filtered down from the top.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:13:28 PM EST
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Heard over at Americablog, that the Florida delegation will be seated with 1/2 vote each. Michigan will be split 69/59 in Clinton's favor, but the delegation will only get 1/2 vote. This would give Clinton a gain of about 20 delegates.

Leslie
by Muons on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:34:18 PM EST
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Somebody with math skills. Where would that leave things?
by Bob In Pacifica on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:38:35 PM EST
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A net of 20-24 for Clinton with Obama ahead by 200 (approximately 1985-1784) gives her a mini babka, full of air.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:14:49 PM EST
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I had just been thinking that today is the last day of May, financials should be out tomorrow and then we'll see the breadth of HRC's debt.
Then read Lanny's explosion and wondered if he's choking on the IOU's he's been chewing on from the campaign.


by mainsailset on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:16:31 PM EST
the reports aren't due until june 20th. but we should all be choking on the amount of money that's been raised, and spent, to date in this campaign...$943,338,120...call it a billion.

obama and clinton alone have raised nearly half a billion dollars, not accounting for loans. source: opensecrets.org

talk about smoke filled, backroom, high stakes games...see Presidential Fundraising and Spending, 1976 - 2008
.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:43:43 PM EST
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rats, I was hoping the news would break tomorrow. thanks

by mainsailset on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:50:52 PM EST
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Lanny Davis needs to have his brain reconfigured or be he be consigned to a padded room.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:02:49 PM EST
Here's the thing: If Hillary pushes this past the 3rd she's announcing a break with the party. In essence, that's what's she's been doing anyway.

I think Tubbs Jones said something to the effect, "They're still gonna win, so what's the difference between seating half and all of the delegation?" Well, if the congresswoman opened the books, she'd understand rules and precedent. If she doesn't understand that then no wonder the Party's f*cked.

by Bob In Pacifica on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:47:23 PM EST
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Advance copy of article in tomorrow's NYTimes (Sunday edition)via the drudge.

No Road Map for Democrats as Race Ends

One of the last procedural fights took place Saturday in Washington where, with demonstrators supporting Mrs. Clinton marching outside, the Democratic Party's Rules and Bylaws Committee struggled with the question of whether to seat at the convention members of the disputed delegations from Florida and Michigan.[.]

Mrs. Clinton has kept her counsel about what she might do to draw her campaign to a close and when she might do it. Her associates said the most likely outcome is that she will end her bid with a speech, probably back home in New York, in which she would endorse Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton herself suggested on Friday that the contest will end sometime next week.

The pertinent graph

Assuming Mr. Obama reaches the total number of delegates and superdelegates he needs to secure the nomination in the coming week, Mrs. Clinton will be faced with three options, associates said: to suspend her campaign and endorse Mr. Obama; to suspend her campaign without making an endorsement; or to press the fight through the convention. Several of Mrs. Clinton's associates said it was unlikely she would fight through the convention, given the potential damage it would do to her standing within the party, which is increasingly eager to unify and turn to the battle against Mr. McCain.

Mrs. Clinton would almost surely face the defection of some of her highest-profile supporters, as well as some members of her staff. She would no doubt also face anger from Democratic leaders as she contemplates a return to the Senate and, potentially, another run for the White House.

"In order for us to be successful in November, the runner-up is going to have to go all out in support of the nominee," said Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "The runner-up is going to have to be there from Day One. The support is going to have to be more than just lip service."

For Clinton's supporters, this RBC thingy is beyond weird given Bill Clinton said on April 28, 2008 that the resolution is the 50% -to seat half delegates. Hillary is going her own way and it should be noted.

I doubt the Clintons will go all out for Obama to win in November. They didn't for Kerry.  

And scorn it is - waiting to say "I told you so...that he couldn't win"

There's a surprise in store.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:05:37 PM EST
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The sad part is he probably brings in an annual income in the high 6 figures.  Then againm if I had a gravy train like that at risk I'd do whatever stupid shit I had to to keep it going.  
by Fledermaus on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:07:03 PM EST
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Yep, they're watching their power slip away, and they aren't going to let go without a duel to the death.
Everything my Republican father said about the Clintons is true.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."
by CabinGirl on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:14:22 PM EST
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There moment is passed, and not a moment too soon.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:15:09 PM EST
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Sen.Levin..how did we get here. because "Hillary is not play by the rules." would be my response.
by americanforliberty on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:29:38 PM EST
But a heated Davis was still strolling the halls of the Marriot Hotel.

How sad. What promises have he and Bill made that they can't deliver?

by Cee on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:37:23 PM EST
God damn, I wish they'd hurry up already.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:51:10 PM EST
CNN just reported Obama resigned from his church.

by mainsailset on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:57:59 PM EST
the state of American politics that a pastor impacts a candidate's stand. Obama is forced to resign his church?

Rubbish. Yet he has to pay homage to Israel, a foreign power that's faith based?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:36:27 PM EST
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The state of race relations in this benighted country says that blacks can't be individuals.  Whatever behavior black individuals exhibits impacts all other blacks. See http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/obamas-leave-trinity.html

Since Trinity showed up on the MSM radar, parishioners as well as pastors have received death threats or have been harassed.  Many Americans do not even know or care about the good the church does on a daily basis.  They believe the hype that Trinity is a hellhole of black radicalism...without checking that expressions of white supremacy and white nationalism is so mainstreamed as to be gospel truth.

It seems like Obama threw his church under the bus, but he didn't.  The focus and pressure would have continued on the church, and not on Obama the nominee, no matter who was a guest pastor or current pastor on a certain Sunday.  These people need a time out.  Plus, Obama hasn't been going there for a while now.

The damage, unfortunately, has been done to both Obama and his former church, even by his former pastor Wright. Trinity needs to recover and to become just another church doing its job to minister to its community.  It did its job for Barack Obama already.  Now he's going to the White House.

An untypical Negro

http://thisblksistaspage.wordpress.com

by blksista (gab1954@gmail.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 08:16:53 PM EST
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Even worse, it's fair to smear Obama over a guest speaker when he wasn't even there... But it's not fair to attack Republicans over the crazy things their political allies say? Still, this clears Obama to fire at will on that.

Kill because somebody was killed. Get killed because he killed. Do you think peace will ever come like that?
by Egarwaen on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:05:28 PM EST
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While I expect that Obama's family has been attending another church while they have been living in DC, I'm very disappointed that he has severed his connection with Trinity UCC.

A Progressive Christian perspective on I/P at Beyond Bethlehem
by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 08:02:39 PM EST
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Committee's coming back.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:06:37 PM EST
Wow am I sick of dishonest arguments.  So tired.
by BooMan on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:24:16 PM EST
Ickes is also dishonest and does not have an argument to present.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:52:21 PM EST
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not a fan of tina flournoy.
by BooMan on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:30:04 PM EST
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They need to clear the hall. This is ridiculous.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:38:35 PM EST
Unanimous in favor of the Ausman challenge. I missed all of the allocations, but basically everybody, supers get half a vote as well as regulars.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 06:48:45 PM EST
there it is, H instructed Ickes to reserve her right to take it to Denver. That Ickes would make the arguments he just did at this stage of the negotiations, and not behind closed doors, is undoubtedly looking to incit divisiveness and it is a low point in our Party.

by mainsailset on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:01:47 PM EST
shades of 1968 Convention on the horizon, the Clintonites will show how we can't govern.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:06:33 PM EST
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I'm hoping they don't get that far.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:11:54 PM EST
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check these out

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Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:20:25 PM EST
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Since the compromise, halving the votes of the delegations, is the same as the Republican penalty, saying that you're going to vote for McCain doesn't seem to be based on principal. I suspect that many of these people are part of the Republican rent-a-mob.

Yeah, great feminists, voting for the man who wants to take away your reproductive rights and calls his wife a c***.

by Bob In Pacifica on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:33:26 PM EST
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Wait a minute, did the woman in the second clip start out by saying it's all about the Democratic Party and then end by saying that if Hillary's not the nominee. she'll vote for McCain?

A Progressive Christian perspective on I/P at Beyond Bethlehem
by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:50:32 PM EST
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"If Hillary is not the nominee I'll vote for McCain"??

That is NOT a Democrat.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:53:07 PM EST
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The Michigan motion carries 19-8, so Clinton gets 69 delegates, Obama gets 59 delegates, everybody including supers gets half a vote.

Are people walking out?

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:10:40 PM EST
"This is Barack Obama's party now."

It's still going to be a bumpy ride.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:17:48 PM EST
DEN-VER! DEN-VER!  JHC.
by RollaMO on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:28:28 PM EST
well, that was certainly theatre...harold lived up to his name....not even a very good sophist, even playing to a friendly house.

it would appear that she's alienated a great many more people than is readily apparent.

if all the "leaks" about 40 supers waiting to turn are true, l'll be watching for the supers to finally put this dismal campaign out of it's misery after wednesday.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:36:55 PM EST
Looks like the super delegates from Florida and Michigan get a full vote at the convention (since they didn't violate the rules), but the primary delegates get 1/2 vote, with the Michigan delegation set at 69 for Hillary and 59 for Obama,

Which means the new magic number is 2118, with Obama at 2053 (needs 65) and Hillary at 1877 (needs 241).

After the next three primaries, Puerto Rico (tomorrow night), South Dakota, and Montana (next Tuesday June 3rd ), Obama probably will pick up 42 of the delegates in those primaries, which would mean he only needs 23 of the remaining 205 super delegates to win.

Hillary needs around 197 of 205 super delegates left.

Obama is scoring around 4-5 super delegates for every one Hillary now gets.

Which means unless something very interesting happens to change the remaining super delegates minds, Obama is just about four days from clinching the nomination.

by clif on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:44:44 PM EST
I got that the supers get half votes, just like the non-supers.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:54:19 PM EST
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I read the story where they got a full vote, but the math is a combination of "fivethirtyeight.com", slate's delegat calculator, and 2008 Democratic Convention Watch's superdelegate count.

So if I have the "super delegate story wrong", the math is from different sites then that.

by clif on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:59:48 PM EST
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