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I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymore

by BooMan
Mon May 5th, 2008 at 01:52:48 AM EST

Even bloggers get tired. I'm tired of writing about the sins of the Clinton campaign. Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow all filled with new energy, but much like the way I feel about the Bush administration, I feel like my point has been made. I came out early on, much earlier than most bloggers, and said that the Clintons were not acceptable, that they were the figureheads of a faction within the party that hates the blogosphere, the anti-war movement, the anti-free trade movement, and that thinks the answer is to out-hawk and out-smear the Republicans. Their foreign policy sucks, has always sucked, and is largely responsible for setting the predicates for the Bush foreign policy. I could go on, but everyone either knows this stuff by now or has entered into late-stage advanced dementia.

In fact, most people aren't even pissed off by the Clintons' big-picture policies. They're pissed that they are running Nixon's campaign. They accuse Obama of being an out of touch Ivy League elitist (even though they are Ivy League multimillionaires that spent eight years sleeping in the White House). They send out fliers accusing Obama of wanting to take away people's guns. They say there is something wrong with his church and his faith. They say he is soft on foreign policy. All they've left out is saying he is soft on crime and coddles homosexuals.

And they lie, often with impunity. They just make stuff up. They'll basically say anything, no matter how transparently false, stupid, or petty.

So, yeah, I'm tired and I don't want to write about the stupid gas-tax holiday, or Clinton's record on gun control, or the gall involved in calling Obama and all economists 'elitists, that don't care about your thirty bucks.'

I don't want to write about Clinton's support for NAFTA or the lies she's telling the people in Indiana. If people don't get it by now, then they just don't care. I hope that Obama wins the two contests on Tuesday and the party rallies behind him.

But I suspect that we won't be so lucky. I have new gray hairs in my beard. I think they showed up sometime in the interminable six weeks between Mississippi and Pennsylvania.

I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymore | 27 comments (27 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: No more Clinton talk. (4.00 / 2)

Hey, Boo Man. Take a political break, or at least a Clinton one. You have done a good job, a fine job, in educating the general public. As a retired educator, I salute you. Write on something you love, no matter how far out.

All members of the frog pond are special.

All members of the frog pond are special.

by Ignod on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 03:03:14 AM EST

I don't want to talk about them either, but.... (4.00 / 2)

BooMan, I'm with you on this. Enough is enough. I started this season with some respect for their political skills at least. You want to know what I think it all comes down to? No of course you don't, neither do I, I'm ready for them to be history. But if Keres can put that video up, I can say this: Psychodrama. The powerfully energetic upstart hero with a new vision has driven both Clintons bonkers with their unresolved personal power issues, and we all suffer, interminably it seems. Josh says there are no more sharks to jump after HRC said "I'm not going to put my lot in with economists" this weekend.

Anyway, thank you for the clarity. Even a few of my dwindling political sites that are pro-Obama have gone around some odd bend, they couldn't go the distance on an even keel. They were doing great and them bam, they hit some power speed bump going full out, and it's not a pretty sight.

You though keep patiently laying it out, such as the DLC corruption of the party that decided it for me late last year. Thank you for your honest and healthy view on things. This is one of the few political sites left that I look forward to coming to.

If you don't mention her again, I for one will by okay with that. Just let us know when she's packed it in.

by charlesf on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 04:02:28 AM EST

Boo, ya done good. (4.00 / 2)

It is hard to watch a even a supposed Democrat morph into Mitt Romney right before your eyes, isn't it?

Maybe you should watch a movie--oh, I dunno, like Finding Nemo--and lurk today. Seriously. Everyone needs a break.

And then dive in again, and just keep swimming!!

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 08:03:32 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (4.00 / 2)

I get fed up on a daily basis, usually after my morning round of blog reading. It's my temperament to become philosophical. Most of history is about people standing up for peace, justice against crushing opposition.
I practice yoga to regain peace of mind. The essence of yoga was described by Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita:
"The best yogi is one who regards every being like oneself and who can feel the pain and pleasures of others as one's own ..." (6.32)
Compassion is a great practice for reviving enthusiasm and avoiding burn-out. I just wish it wasn't such an effort sometimes.

by CarolynC on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 08:22:45 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (4.00 / 2)

Boy, that is very well said. I recall reading excerpts of the Bhagavad Gita to my public high school class. (Psychology) The students loved this kind of thing. They liked the stuff on Kundalini too.

All members of the frog pond are special.

by Ignod on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 09:39:50 AM EST
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Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (4.00 / 3)

Your "interstitials", like this one, BooMan, are often my favorites. They take a few giant steps back from fine detail, instead favoring overall analysis--something much of the rest of the blogosphere distinctly shies away from. Thanks for that.

by annagranfors on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 08:39:59 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons (4.00 / 2)

Agreed. Enough. Unfortunately, as a New Yorker, I'll be hearing about her exploits for some time to come.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin Survivor Left Blogistan

by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 09:06:07 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (4.00 / 4)

What fascinates me, in a sick and twisted way, are the progressive Democrats who feel that Obama embodies all the above negative characteristics and that Hillary is a relief from them.

In the first half of the campaign, it was easy to dismiss Hillary and her supporters. Anyone who showed up on a blog sounded like an Al From sockpuppet: "You far left extremists attack free trade at America's peril!1!!"

But then, after Edwards dropped out, I started seeing these progressive bloggers (e.g. Theleftcoaster and correntewire) who genuinely saw Hillary's campaign as an antidote to the centrism and bipartisanship of the Obama campaign.

Now, I'm not going to say that Obama has never made me uncomfortable by "reaching out" to Republicans. But the idea that a campaign run by Mark Penn, Terry McAuliffe and Bill Clinton is going to save us from triangulation and bipartisanship and unity is enough to make my head explode.

by space (space.politics@gmail.com) on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 11:15:18 AM EST

I feel you (4.00 / 3)

On April 23, I posted over at Jack & Jill Politics "How Does Obama Do It?" and I made many of the same points you did about Clinton fatigue and a feeling that all that could be said has been.

I got very sick with what I can only call "the Hillary virus" with symptoms including fever, cough, congestion and rampant mendacity.

I took a week off, watching NO cable news and taking care of myself. The community lifted me up, including Steven D from right here. I returned rejuvenated and determined to keep up the fight because if too many of us throw in the towel, that's exactly how bad people win.

Take your break. Enjoy it even, but know that you have incredible support out here, and when you're ready, we welcome your fiery return.

FIRED UP!

baratunde thurston conscious comic and vigilante pundit "jack turner" at www.jackandjillpolitics.com

by baratunde on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 01:52:33 PM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (3.75 / 4)

I'm tired of the whole bloody campaign and have been for months now. What an exercise it is in bullshit and stupidity.

Hillary Clinton thinks it's quite OK to obliterate an entire nation, and an ancient one at that. And she confirmed that it was not just talk - she really means it. That, my friends, is called genocide, and that just about says it all, doesn't it? Of course, she has a history of supporting genocide - eight years of slow agonizing genocide in Iraq during her husband's term in office.

"Their foreign policy sucks, has always sucked, and is largely responsible for setting the predicates for the Bush foreign policy."

Right on! I have been saying this from the beginning. Bill Clinton is the one who spent eight long, horrific years setting Iraq up for Bush, and Hillary whole-heartedly supported Bill's policy of regime change by genocide (genocide being the term used by two U.N. humanitarian coordinators and the head of WHO in Iraq during Bill's term in office). Hillary also supported the aggression against and continued occupation of Iraq until it became clear that it was not helpful to her presidential ambitions, and even so her turn-around has been considerably less than 180 degrees.

Is Obama much better? No, not really, and in particular his plan for Iraq is virtually identical to hers. Therefore, I do not support him either.

I returned about 24 hours ago from a month in Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria, most in Syria. I wish I were still in Syria.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 03:22:07 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (none / 1)

Tell us about the refugee situation in Syria. I see nothing about it in the news, except in church materials.

by Joyful Alternative on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 04:55:02 AM EST
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Here's an even greater atrocity to distract you (none / 1)

How did we ever live through the 80's?

by keres on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 02:43:55 AM EST

Re: Here's an even greater atrocity to distract yo (none / 0)

Hey, hey! I saw that, and liked it. You make it seem like this clip is garish or something. You're messing up my dreams about Fame!! How could you???

Heh.

:)

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 08:07:07 AM EST
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Re: Here's an even greater atrocity to distract yo (none / 0)

Who would consider gold satin, feathers and funky white dancers, and waaaaaaaaaaay too many visual effects garish? Not me, I assure you.

ps I like the movie Fame, and even the TV show was OK.

by keres on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 05:31:35 PM EST
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Re: Here's an even greater atrocity to distract yo (none / 0)

Heh. I don't think I ever got around to seeing the movie, but I LOVED the TV show. Especially when Erica Gimple and Janet Jackson were on the shows, which never seemed often enough.

I wished I could dance as well as they did.

Ah...memories...in all their funny, tick-tacky glory. :)

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 11:57:14 PM EST
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Re: Here's an even greater atrocity to distract yo (none / 0)

Ah Janet, back before she became Michael. And Erica - grrrrowwww! I'm enjoying watching Erica on the first season of Veronica Mars (we just rented the DVD's last week, since we don't have a TV).

Personally, I had the hots for Lori Singer. ;)

I wish I could dance, period. I'm the anti-rhythm. It's not quite a "super power", but just by dancing I can cause a room full of really good dancers to fall out of step.

by keres on Tue May 6th, 2008 at 02:33:36 AM EST
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Re: I Don't Want to Talk About (none / 1)

Hey Boo- if you are serious then how about posting about the insanity of the staggering increases in the costs of basic food products HERE is the good old US of A!!!!!
Try this one: Had a chance to check out the latst Wholesale increase the cost of Cooking Oil at my local convience. My neighborhood convience store owner showed me his latest flyer from the wholesale market. Two weeks ago, the oil cost him $8.00 per half gal. Now-- $11.00 for exactly the same product!
He is now considering the possibility of closing.
Now, maybe this might be a subject worth posting on?

by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 06:14:14 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About (none / 1)

Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. We have created these linkages in our economy - cooking oil can be used as a substitute for heating oil, or made into biodiesel. Thus the prices of cooking oil and diesel fuel are now tied to each other. As we ride down the slope of peak oil and diesel becomes even more expensive, this problem will only get worse.

The flip side is that used cooking oil will also become more valuable for the same reasons. It used to be that people had to pay to have it removed, but there are tons of people out there who would take it for free so that they can make their own biodiesel. As time goes on I expect that restaurants will end up selling their used oil, to offset the part of the cost of the virgin oil.

by ericy on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 07:39:26 AM EST
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Re: I Don't Want to Talk About (none / 0)

Eight bucks?? That's nuts. Eleven bucks is even . . . nutsier. I just checked. I can walk over to my local Safeway and get 48 oz. of Crisco vegetable oil for $4.99. And this is in freakin' Seattle where just about everything has to be trucked in over the mountains. I just checked a random warehouse store in LA (the Seattle sites are all down at the moment) and they're selling corn oil for $13 a gallon. Your friend should be able to walk into someplace like that and buy it off the shelf and mark it up a bit.

I think your guy is being gouged. I don't blame him for closing if this is what someone is forcing him to pay wholesale.

The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -- Ambassador Kosh

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 09:43:20 AM EST
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Tuned OUT (none / 1)

Thank you. Yes, please write about something else. I've even stopped watching Olbermann because I just don't want to know anymore. Wake me when Clinton stops.

by sjct on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 09:36:56 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (none / 1)

The problem is, if we stop talking about them and she becomes the candidate, they are all we will hear about until November. The media is pushing for her candidacy because they have decades of ammunition with which to shoot her down. Is it any wonder she won Ohio with crossover votes from repubs?

If they could besmirch the characters of Gore and Kerry with false characterizations, what will they do with the many years of public Clinton scandals and lies? She's opened the door to these attacks by touting her "experience" and that includes the bad as well. We will see endless videos of her lies about Bosnia and Bill's famous lie interplayed with clips of her touting her readiness to serve.

I'm tired of reading and talking about the Clintons too, but I'm also sick at heart to think of her as the candidate. I don't think people grasp how deeply the Clintons are universally despised by repubs and now that they've broadened that base to include a lot of dems, putting her on the ticket will have the same effect as putting the marriage amendment on the ballot here in Virginia in 2004.

Take a break to re-energize, but please, keep up the good fight! You're a great source of comfort to those of us who know what a Clinton candidacy would mean.

by boomermom on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 09:41:24 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (none / 0)

Frankly, I'm with you, Booman. I give up. If the voters of NC and Indiana are willing to sell their souls to a known liar for $10 a month for 3 months, then this country simply doesn't deserve Obama. Let them eat cake. I watched about 10 minutes of Morning Joe and his sidekick Buchanan gleefully drooling over Hillary and I turned the tv off. Finally. I think we all pretty much know how this is going to end.

by troqua on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 10:30:59 AM EST

Re: I Don't Want to talk...Clintons (none / 1)

I dare you...

Go ahead, c'mon...

Stop filling up so much space talking about the Clintons. Let's all stop.

by sleepybread (sleepybread@myway.com) on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 01:00:17 PM EST

Re: I Don't Want to talk...Clintons (none / 1)

Who?

by charlesf on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 01:43:29 PM EST
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Re: I Don't Want to talk...Clintons (none / 0)

<grin>

by sleepybread (sleepybread@myway.com) on Tue May 6th, 2008 at 08:35:15 AM EST
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Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons (none / 1)

Proportional allocation of delegates is a plot to drive us all crazy! It simply results in a commendably fair-minded, egalitarian electorate who end up sitting at the table blowing bubbles into their bowls of Alpha-bits! This whole electoral freak show is insane, and I increasingly feel like I'm not too far behind it. I'm sick to death of the Clintons, but in some perverse, masochistic way, I feel compelled to lash out at them and the whole insipid process in some real way, but that's impossible to do if you're also trying to let it go -- at least for a while. And anarchy's such a bother. What's a lefty political addict to do?

by Sprocket77 on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 03:19:36 PM EST

Re: I Don't Want to Talk About the Clintons Anymor (none / 0)

Looked in the Dictionary under Lie, Cheat & Steal and there was picture of Bill and Hillary.

by americanforliberty on Mon May 5th, 2008 at 05:43:20 PM EST

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