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Deep Thought

by BooMan
Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:01:09 PM EST

Finding two white men dumb enough to think Obama is a Muslim is proof of nothing more than the existence of two people gullible enough to believe the shit their relatives forward to them in their email.



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Not worth discussing, honestly. Those idiots believe that he's both a Muslim and a wacky Christian a la Wright...and they are voting Republican anyway. (No idiots left behind.)

Michaela
by michaelmt (MrMichael_t@yahoo.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:37:21 PM EST
I think they think Wright is himself a Muslim. Such is the level of ignorance!

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 10:39:14 PM EST
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Blame It On Paraquay!

saw this over at counterpunch: The Bush's Family Bad Latin American Real Estate Investment

Back in late 2006, it was widely reported in the Latin American media that President Bush, or perhaps his old man, had bought a 100,000-acre farm in a remote area of Paraguay.

What struck people at the time was the choice of country. Paraguay, of course, has gained a certain Club Med status among the world's villains and criminal elements as the place to go when the law's on your tail. The country, ruled for six decades by the dictatorial and fascist Colorado Party of Gen. Alfredo Stroesser, an almost cartoon charicature of a Latin American dictator, has no extradition treaty with any nation.
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Given that President Bush, once he leaves office on January 20, 2009, will no longer have the diplomatic immunity conferred upon heads of state, or the Constitutional protection against indictment by domestic prosecutors, it makes sense that he would be looking for a safe haven from the long arm of the law.
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Only trouble is, Paraguay may not be such a safe haven for long...

can l savour the prospect of this?

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 10:41:53 PM EST


the revolution will not be televised...
by dada on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 10:44:26 PM EST
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The law changed recently so that former Presidents and Vice-Presidents only get Secret Service protection for ten years. After that . . . well, I'll just sit back and contemplate the possible ramifications of "after that."

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 12:11:42 AM EST
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If you go into any forum of any news site, I guarantee you'll find more than just two dumb white guys.  If it was just two and the media pretended like it was a trend, that would be one thing, but seriously...I can read posts at TPM or DU where there are supposed liberals who not only think that Obama is a Muslim, but also think that if he was it would be a bad thing.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:14:08 PM EST
True, but I think we also tend to overestimate the degree to which online forums and blogs represent the general public.  If you believed the blogosphere, you'd think Obama and Clinton supporters could never come together.  Looking at the general public, it's not really bad.

I think there are also a lot of people out there who know it's crap but talk it up in an effort to get attention.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:18:33 PM EST
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That's very true. In my latest round of calls, I've been asking Clinton supporters if they would support Obama in the general. All but one so far have said yes. Note: my sample is not statistically significant! ;-) But still - I must have reached about 30 Clinton supporters, and only one said, before I even asked (and after telling me she was "undecided"), "I'll never vote for that man!" Not "that black man" - just that member of the male sex. So there you go.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 10:38:20 PM EST
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Though I did have a client of my business admit fully to me that he can't vote for Obama "because the Blacks will go wild" whatever that means. What awful racism. Awful. But I think that mentality in a 66 yr old man is dying off with his generation.

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by Isis on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 11:32:27 PM EST
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Awful, and unfortunately pretty common.  But, thankfully, you can reason with most of those folks, in my experience.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 08:09:54 AM EST
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I also agree. It's the same meme that only African Americans are voting for Obama. His primary vote constituency has been white Americans. This is not a matter of Black vs White like pundits and sheep journalists want to make it seem, this is about integrity and hope.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. Sharing will bring us back from mass suicide. www.share-international.org
by Isis on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 11:22:07 PM EST
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The Muslim smear isn't going anywhere.  It concerned me last year, but I'm not concerned about it.

On another topic, it sounds like this campaign is winding down very, very quickly.  Should I allow myself the hope that Hillary will do the right thing for once?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:16:33 PM EST
Even Lisa Caputo seems to know it's done.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:19:10 PM EST
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I had the opportunity to speak with one of our resident wingnuts today (The wingnut with the gun, of whom I've written.), he talked about this.  Apparently, O'Leilly has been spreading this crap.  Shocking, I know.    

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:34:29 PM EST
What an unholy mess.
by BooMan on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:46:00 PM EST
That's what the damn fake monogamous shield men (and women) have to put up in polite society leads to: repressed sexual energies fueled by the stupid drug, alcohol.

"To hell with monogamy!" -- sung to the tune of "To Hell with Poverty" by Gang of Four.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. Sharing will bring us back from mass suicide. www.share-international.org

by Isis on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 11:27:52 PM EST
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Is it just me? I am getting so SICK of this code-phrase "Working-Class Whites" that we've been hearing so much lately. It almost makes them sound respectable and they're unfairly lumping a whole lot of good, tolerant people in with the crowd they're trying to reference. Why can't we just call them "Rednecks?" That's what they've always been called where I come from. Many of them even wear the label proudly.

Some examples of how to use the correct term:

. Barack just can't seem win the Redneck vote.
. Hillary sure is going out of her way to prove her Redneck credentials, isn't she?
. Rednecks use the Barack-is-a-Muslim and the Barack-is-unpatriotic slurs so they can pretend they're not afraid of black people.

Or am I just being a bigot?

by RandyH on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:54:05 PM EST
I said something similar yesterday.

'I just can't understand why all these rednecks aren't voting for the black guy.'

But, no, it's not a good idea to start calling every white lower class supporter of Clinton a 'redneck' for the same reason you point out.  That is a gross overgeneralization.

by BooMan on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 09:59:47 PM EST
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Hey Hey, I'm a working-class white guy. Certainly by income!

Again, to reiterate what I posted somewhere else, this is not a race-based primary, it's about integrity.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. Sharing will bring us back from mass suicide. www.share-international.org

by Isis on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 11:29:22 PM EST
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Hey, I'm a working-class white guy. I don't own a pickup and I work for a high-tech company, but I consider myself to be working class. I sure don't feel like some elitist snob.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 12:12:33 AM EST
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Oliver Willis points out the real scandal in this election year that no one seems to be talking about.
by RandyH on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 10:06:43 PM EST
World-class snark there.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."
by CabinGirl on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 08:24:55 AM EST
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What about all the unpolled characteristics that might just as easily explain the votes?

Maybe optimists vote for Obama (hence upper income, college educated) and pessimists vote for Clinton (lower income, lower education).

Maybe nice people vote for Obama and nasty people vote for Clinton. (I'm thinking of folks at some other blogs...!)

Maybe people over 5'5 vote for Obama, and under 5'5' vote for Clinton.

I mean, seriously. It reminded me of a woman at the racetrack who simply bet the horse with the longest tail, and won all day long. No rhyme or reason.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 10:41:54 PM EST
A friend's girlfriend went with him to the dog track a few years back. She picked her dogs based on the color they were wearing. Won a few grand. He on the other hand, studied the sheets, records, odds, etc. Lost his ass.

I know a black guy, very level headed, who thinks Obama might be a Muslim.

by mikefromtexas on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 12:41:11 AM EST
I think people tend to think candidates are more like themselves than they are.

I'm shocked at the women who defend the Tuzla lies. They make up all kinds of excuses for Clinton. When I point out that Clinton herself admitted she lied, and knew she was lying, they get hurt and upset, because they feel she is them, and vice versa. Pretty sad, but that's what people do, I guess.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 12:46:47 AM EST
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What is most disturbing about this topic is the fact that virtually everyone from one end of the spectrum to another sees some kind of problem with being a Muslim.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 03:26:26 AM EST
I agree.  The huge underlying prejudice against even the very word Muslim is the sad fear induced depths too many people have succumbed to.  Put 'muslim' together with 'black man' and you end up living in a rational-free zone.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi
by chocolate ink on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 03:08:58 PM EST
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Curiously, I had this discussion with my (Irish) father the other day: the impression that Obama is Muslim has made it across the Atlantic ...
by Colman on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 06:01:11 AM EST
by Cee on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 10:33:42 AM EST
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Sad, but true.  The fact is that the large majority of people do not follow all this closely.  Oh, sure, a larger percentage this time, but still - the majority do not.  

One of my brothers forwarded the Muslim view the other day, and I was so disappointed - I almost couldn't go through the 'no - and so what if he was?' thing.  And I've said this before - many dem voters won't vote for a black man or a white woman, either.  We're going to see a lot of dem voters sit this one out, either way.

Cheney/Voldemort '08

by wolverine writer on Thu May 8th, 2008 at 06:38:10 AM EST


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