But the problem for the 'HillBloggers' (and the Clintons, too) is that these solutions don't get her any closer to the nomination. I believe Jerome Armstrong wrote yesterday that he would be okay with Obama as the nominee, or something to that effect. (I think he was trying to distance himself emotionally from Clinton losing, I guess.) I hope all of them work their way through this in similar way. Marsh is even doing something of a juggling act herself, it seems.

McCain is the enemy. Sooner or later it comes down to Republicans vs. Democrats. Obama laid into Magoo pretty good today, and it's a signal the real battle is commencing. Hillary's supporters, inside the blogosphere and outside, will need time to mourn and come around. I'm willing to give it to them, for my part.  

But what of the Obama voters who stayed home in Michigan and Florida? Are they not disenfranchised by validating results that his voters expected would not count?

No, instead, they totally, absolutely, entirely, utterly ignore this. Disenfranchisement only occurs when it's Hillary's voters. Just like the only voters that really count are whites without college degrees making less than 50,000 a year.

They are truly deranged.

One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted.

Hillary is talking like those "Democratic" Eastern European countries that regularly held "fair elections", where everybody was allowe to vote shortly after World War II.  Everybody knew it was a joke.  Who would have thought that fifty years later a major Democrat [!] would be trying to make that case.

Hillary is using the following propaganda technique.

IN THE ABSTRACT: There are some things (like votes) which are normally considered an unalloyed good because they are the result of a process (elections) which are normally exercised in an approved fashion.

This can be done for political results, manufactured products, groups of people (e.g. doctors via respected universities), foodstuffs and so on.  We see this propaganda used when someone has a vested interest in passing off a tainted end product by ignoring the source and focusing instead on a generalized positive impression about the product.

So let's not mince any words.

HILLARY CLINTON LIED TO THE DNC. Or, SHE BROKE HER PLEDGE, for no other reason than to get an advantage in the primaries. And after those bogus primaries her public position to endorse them encouraged the state parties to stand firm, thus ensuring that there wouldn't be a real primary in either state.

Now her rejection of the Michigan compromise puts her standing in the way of seating a delegation for that state. Why? Because as long as the issue is alive, she's alive.

Should we be surprised that people who ignore this self-serving dishonesty would construct some kind of hand-wringing over it? This hand-wringing is only for the benefit of Clinton's candidacy. When Clinton blithely announced that if the Dems operated under the Republican winner-take-all rules that she would have won, where was the outrage at the non-representational aspect of that? No, they got out their calculators and figured that it would be better for Hillary so it was okey dokey.

It's okay for Hillary to say that whites won't vote for Obama after her "oppo research" dug up all the dirt that they could on Reverend Wright and kept feeding it to the press for a month. I gave her campaign the benefit of the doubt about that picture leaked to Drudge, but after a couple of months of the Clinton campaign I would now give the benefit of the doubt to Drudge's version. Drudge? Clinton is knocking back shots with the entire vast right-wing conspiracy.

This is all very discouraging. Some of those people I actually used to respect. These people are practicing the basest of identity politics and daily they rationalize to themselves and demonize Obama and his supporters. How sad.

We know Obama played by the rules and Hillary did not. Obama and Edwards removed their names from the MI ballot and Obama did not campaign in FLA.

I see and additional problem of character and morals in the Clinton camp. Politics while competitive, you must at time accept the word of your opponent and nothing more. Hillary gave her "word" and then reneged on her promise not to count FLA and MI. If Hillary gives us her "word"/verbal promise to end the War in Iraq, can we really "trust" her.  
 

Please keep up the great work.

Imagine that Obama had come out ahead in the FL and MI primaries.

Now try to imagine Hillary Clinton and her supporters and surrogates arguing that the will of the voters in those states must be respected and advocating passionately for the seating of those delegates.

It's a bit of a stretch, eh?

you are so much more articulate than me ... and yet, i am still going to post my rant to the very people you've invoked.

still, thanks, at least i can bring it down a couple of notches :D

Blogueando @ culturekitchen.com

But it dawned on me tonight that Hillary really doesn't give a shit.  If the Party imploded, she could continue living in her Republican-lite world, rubbing elbows with Joe Liebermann and Diane Feinstein and Rahm Emmanuel and the lobbyists in Washington.  Our world would come to end, but hers wouldn't.  She would be more than happy to jettison the progressives, the African-Americans, the bloggers, the dirty hippies...

The notion that the Party is at grave risk right now is just not an issue for her and Bill.  They like Washington just fine as it is.

One problem Booman, you can't reason with these fools.

So, correct me if I am wrong, but you really aren't operating according to any principle at all.

Yes they are, they just won't admit it.

They think Obama can't win because he's black.  In the end they are so convinced that Obama will lose to McCain that they are willing to do anything to put Hillary as the nominee.

And who is implying "Obama can't win because he's black" anyway?

Why, the GOP.  And they've fallen for it.

Might have to adjust your calculations, WV is going to really really hurt.