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More Sour Grapes

by BooMan
Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:02:04 PM EST

You may have noticed that Obama announced a lot of staffing positions today for the general election. Among his choices is former Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle, who has been hired to be chief of staff to the vice-president. This has not been received well in Camp Clinton, which must mean it is not a precursor to Clinton getting the veep-spot.

"You don't hire Patti Solis Doyle for her operational expertise. You don't do that. This is someone who failed dramatically at her job. You only bring her on to fuck someone else."
-- A "former Clinton bundler," quoted by the New York Observer, noting that "Clinton loyalists were livid over the pick."

I find that all highly amusing. So sensitive.

Update [2008-6-16 18:31:30 by BooMan]: It gets better.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said nothing could be inferred about Obama’s thoughts on a vice presidential candidate from the hiring of Solis Doyle, which was announced along with several other new posts Monday afternoon.
But a Clinton insider, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told CQ Politics that the subtext is clear.
“Translated subtitles aren’t necessary,” the insider said. “There is no other way to interpret this other than ‘[Expletive] you.’”

More Sour Grapes | 43 comments (43 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: More Sour Grapes (4.00 / 2)

This is strange. First, why hire someone who failed miserably at their last job? And second, why would Obama hire the VP's chief of staff? Won't he or she want to hire their own person?

by KansasVoter on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:00:02 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

Question:

First, why hire someone who failed miserably at their last job?

Answer:

You only bring her on to fuck someone else.

I believe Bill got the message...

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:17:36 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

Doyle is from Chicago, a prominent Hispanic, and longtime friend of David Axelrod, Obama's campaign maven.

And a lot of Latinos were miffed at her firing...they voiced she was scapegoated.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:58:47 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

The vee-pee gets handlers from the nominee's staff. It's normal.

Doyle didn't run a winning campaign, but that was more Mark Penn's fault than her's. Most of all it sends a clear message that Ms. Clinton won't be getting any consideration for the position. But, then, we knew that once Michelle Obama told people not to permit that RFK assassination talk about her husband.

by BooMan on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:18:38 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

And it sends a not-so-subtle message to pundits to STOP all of the "Will he pick Hillary for VP?" talk. The answer is no. Please move on, big media.

Al Giordano, who has MOVED after being censored at his old blog home, thinks Solis Doyle was a good manager who was scapegoated by Penn, Wolfson, McAwful, etc. when they started doing poorly. He thinks she'll be great at this new job, but it does indicate that Hillary won't be the Veep pick. But he thinks she'll be a GREAT match for Sebelius.

by RandyH on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:55:58 PM EST
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Al Giordano (none / 1)

I moved, too. Away from his blog. This is what I posted about it on dKos.

"He let his readers and posters know that:

too many people posted comments
he found many of those comments boring
he'd remove comments that didn't maintain his point of view (not, mind you,
comments that were viscous, racist, sexist, untrue, inflammatory, etc.)

BUT

would his readers please send money so that he could go to Denver on someone else's dime.

I bailed."

by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:19:52 PM EST
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Re: Al Giordano (none / 0)

Vicious not viscous! Although thick wouldn't be all that inappropriate.

by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:24:48 PM EST
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Re: Al Giordano (none / 1)

I'm sorry you feel that way. I think he's a great force in Democratic politics right now. But the Democratic establishment feels threatened by it. He was censored because he dared speak of the great impact of Saul Alinski's work in community organizing and dared to get his readers to join up in local groups to meet each other and discuss their ideas. Al Giordano is doing something that most bloggers haven't been able to accomplish yet and he offers alot of insight into community organizing that most have no clue about.

by RandyH on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:31:02 PM EST
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Re: Al Giordano (none / 0)

There is an arrogance and lack of democratic spirit on his site. I enjoyed reading it for a number of months and occasionally commented until he spent a good deal of time in his comments dissing his readers and posters.

I haven't read about the Aulinksy brouhaha since it apparently happened after I quit reading The Field, but it's funny that Al should scream about censorship when he was very up front about his plan to remove all comments that were contrary to his viewpoint. As I said above, not objectionable for what I would consider valid reasons. But unacceptable because they didn't fit his personal criteria. To hell with that.

by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:42:09 PM EST
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Re: Al Giordano (none / 1)

Yeah. I hear you. He has an extremely high readership. And he wants to keep them on track for action. He has scolded us for doubting our candidate and the whole "Chicken Little" attitude that prevails in Democratic circles and he's done us a huge service for doing it.

The owner of RuralVotes (Al's former home) is a Democratic Party big-wig Superdelgate woman and she had a problem with him discussing Saul Alinsky (1909-1972.) She wanted him to delete his post about him. He refused. I was confused by it, since I'd never heard of the guy, and checked to see if my library had his last book "Rules For Radicals" (1971) and they had it! I checked it out and OH MY GOD what an education.

I think very highly of Al. That doesn't mean I think any less of you. He's just not your typical blogger. He's been reporting (in print and radio) and working in politics for many years. Nowadays his work is primarily at NarcoNews, who reports on Central and South American countries and their political relationships with the US. Unlike most bloggers, he was NOT working for RuralVotes for free. He was paid. We readers liked the coverage so much that we also decided to send him to Texas and to Denver by paying for his travel expenses. We did this as readers who loved the coverage with his perspective. He didn't need to beg. We insisted upon it.

by RandyH on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 08:09:01 PM EST
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Re: Al Giordano (none / 0)

I was one of the readers who paid to send him to TX.

by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 11:10:27 AM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

She has her own strengths and/or contacts: she's from Chicago and I think she has a relationship to Axelrod; also I believe she's well-known in the Latino community.

And just because she may have been ill-suited for the Clinton campaign doesn't mean the same for Obama. She's not working in the same capacity.

But what I'd really like to know is when will folks close to the Clintons get around to blaming who I believe is REALLY at fault here--Mark Penn. Some folks seem to relish attacking Doyle but are real quiet when it comes to Penn...who obviously loves to regale people in tales of his brilliance.

Ironic, considering all the claims of sexism from some quarters.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:22:52 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

Why can't the boss (Hillary) take responsibility for the hires and their direction and supervision?

by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 11:11:27 AM EST
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Re: All Doyle's fault (none / 0)

Coaches are re-hired, and they fail, too (so to speak).
Doyle's firing parallels the sacrificial quality of the firing of a coach. Was there any reason to believe that Doyle was the reason the Clinton campaign did badly?

There's a curious circularity to the logic here.

There's also a Rorschach quality to this purported insult. The logic behind the "insult" conclusion is peculiarly elusive. Someone is stretching to find insults where none exists, which says something about them rather than the reason for her hiring.

"..the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. .. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked.." - Goering

by colinski on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:40:17 PM EST
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Welfare Reform (none / 1)

I believe it all spawns from the Clintons' sense of entitlement...

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:44:05 PM EST
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Re: All Doyle's fault (none / 1)

No, I think it is pretty clearly a message that Clinton will not be vee-pee. She fired Doyle and they are not currently on speaking terms. Think about it.

by BooMan on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:49:48 PM EST
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Re: All Doyle's fault (none / 0)

Where did the expectation that she actually was going to be the VP come from? -- (and I know the media had a hand in it, too). Contrived outrage isn't becoming.

And 'name her VP or else' is like blackmail. The language we often hear in regard to the VP is that he/she "earned" a spot on the ticket, not extorted.

"..the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. .. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked.." - Goering

by colinski on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 08:44:47 PM EST
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Re: All Doyle's fault (none / 0)

great point Booman...a very skillful political move by the Obama camp. But I think she brings other qualities, ties to the Chicago Political Machine, reconcile with Clinton supporters and insight to large Mexican American voting block.

by americanforliberty on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 09:06:15 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (4.00 / 4)

Honestly?

I don't think this is front page material. Clinton lost, and there's no need (IMO) to keep hammering away at the topic.

I would rather see something about the odious deal that the odious Steny Hoyer has cooked up on FISA.

With the support of Queen Nancy, the Tin Eared, of course.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:25:38 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

FISA? Yeah, by all means, make some phone calls. Firedoglake and Greenwald are taking the lead on it and Kagro X at Daily Kos. They're doing fine work.

by BooMan on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:36:18 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

Oh Jeeze...I'm almost afraid to click the link.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:43:39 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

feingold and dodd have sent a "sternly worded letter" to the house and copied everybody in sight:

Dear Majority Leader Reid, Speaker Pelosi, Majority Leader Hoyer, Chairman Leahy, Chairman Conyers, Chairman Rockefeller and Chairman Reyes,
As you work to resolve differences between the House and Senate versions of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, we urge you to include key protections to safeguard the privacy of law-abiding Americans, and not to include provisions that would grant retroactive immunity to companies that allegedly cooperated in the President's illegal warrantless wiretapping program.
With respect to immunity, we are particularly concerned about a proposal recently made by Senator Bond, and want to make clear that his proposal is just as unacceptable as the immunity provision in the Senate bill, which we vigorously opposed...
link

contacts:
harry reid
speaker pelosi
steny hoyer
pat leahy
john conyers
john rockefeller
silvestre reyes

house members
senators

let's kill this thing off, eh.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:58:59 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (4.00 / 2)

In an Update (Update II) to this post, Glenn Greenwald today praises our boy Brendan for his good work in harassing our leaders on this very topic. Check it out.

by RandyH on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:14:18 PM EST
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way to go brendan! (4.00 / 2)

and damned skippy, he's right..."These are some of the worst people in the world, and they need to be purged from Congress".

thanks

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:29:45 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

Brendan does the Lord's work.

by BooMan on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:25:01 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (4.00 / 2)

Wait a minute here. Everything I read about Clinton's senate campaign and her primary campaign that talked about the horrendous amounts of money spent all implied that Solis-Doyle was responsible for the fiscal mismanagement. I mean everything I read. So what's the real story?

by SusanD on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:54:43 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

Fire the voters!!!

"..the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. .. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked.." - Goering

by colinski on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 08:59:01 PM EST
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Winds of Change (none / 0)

Imagine this is a hundred years ago and that you are a newly-appointed sales manager. Of a horse-buggy shop. Some people would blame your management for the organization's substantial losses, for the lack of sales, but the truth of the matter is that you were given the impossible task of selling a product that the public no longer needed or wanted. That is, except for a bevy of working-class whites in rural Pennsylvania...

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 09:52:50 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (4.00 / 2)

Maybe that was in response to this? This was emailed early today - a friend forwarded me a copy.

Dear [name],
Together, you and I changed America forever. We touched so many lives over the course of this campaign, and I can't thank you enough for the support you showed me. I met so many wonderful people out on the trail, and I wanted to share some of those memories with you.
I hope you'll take a moment to view our online album with some favorite photos from the campaign.
Thank you so much -- I'll be in touch soon.
Sincerely,
Hillary
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President
Contributions to Hillary Clinton for President are not deductible for federal income tax purposes. Corporate contributions are prohibited by law.
All content © 2008 Hillary Clinton for President
4420 North Fairfax Drive, Arlington, VA 22203

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

Interesting.

And in the biggest non-news of the day - Gore is set to endorse Obama tonight.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:11:01 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes. How about Recipegate? (none / 1)

Cindy McCain caught with cribbed recipes...Again

Huffpost takes this headline:

Reheat Offender: Cindy Bakes another Whopper

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:12:08 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes. How about Recipegate? (4.00 / 2)

You'd think they'd learn, wouldn't you?

Well, you'd be wrong.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 07:20:25 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

A little late, eh?

by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 09:47:47 PM EST
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Damn yo! (none / 0)

You can think it, but you can't like, say it. That's a bitter, bitter person, so...who do you think that was? Begala?

~~~THIS SPACE FOR RENT~~~

by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:14:07 PM EST

Re: Damn yo! (none / 0)

No, one of her big fundraisers.

by BooMan on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:31:03 PM EST
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Journalistic Ethics (none / 0)

If the bundler thought that it was "on background" then they had reason to expect that their actual quote would not be reported. If it was, indeed, "on background" then Mr. Horowitz may have some splainin' to do...

The Underground Railroad

by Oscar In Louisville on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:25:40 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

i spose they will call her another Judas?
when will these peeps learn that it's OVER?

The sleep of reason begets tyrants. -Goya

by joe in oklahoma on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:36:57 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

Kerry did the same thing with an Edwards staffer before he got the nod.

Hmm, but Solis-Doyle? By all accounts she wasn't that good either in HRC's senate race or this year.

by MNPundit on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:40:25 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

exception: accroding to reports, the two have not spoken since the firing.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 05:54:55 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

By whose accounts? Who would be giving accounts besides Clinton insiders, and there would be motive to pin their failures on her.

In any case, I trust the Obama campaign's judgment over the Clinton campaign's. They won, Clinton's lost.

Just saying.

by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 09:50:59 PM EST
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Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 1)

Clinton supporters are mighty hard to please. Obama hires a Latino woman from the HRC camp, and they interpret that as a "screw you?"

WTF?

by eagleye on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:41:19 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

It's beginning to look like Bill was the nicest of the bunch!???!

by mainsailset on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 06:56:42 PM EST

Re: More Sour Grapes (none / 0)

"There is no other way to interpret this other than `[Expletive] you.'"

and his point is?

Ingrid

Politics have no relation to morals. Niccolo Machiavelli

by TexasDutchie (bloggerRoundtableAThotmail.com, all lower cases) on Mon Jun 16th, 2008 at 09:52:15 PM EST

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