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Quotes of the Day

by Steven D
Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 11:41:05 AM EST

Here are a few I feel are appropos the day after the Friday FISA massacre:

Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Frederick Douglass

We must keep demanding, all of us, who oppose the assault on our liberty, whether from the right or the left.

It may well be that our means are fairly limited and our possibilities restricted when it comes to applying pressure on our government. But is this a reason to do nothing? Despair is not an answer. Neither is resignation. Resignation only leads to indifference, which is not merely a sin but a punishment. Elie Wiesel

I'm in no mood for being punished anymore, are you? Indeed, I'm in the mood to punish those who in their cowardice or greed or blind fear or stupidity have chosen to continue down this dark path to enslavement.

The first principal of nonviolent action is that of noncooperation with everything humiliating. Cesar Chavez

And the first non-violent act we can do is turn off the money spigot to the Barack Obama campaign and any politician, Republican or Democrat, who voted (or will vote in the Senate) for this atrocity. I know there are many conservatives and Republicans who are very uncomfortable with the loss of our privacy rights. The candidacies of Ron Paul and Bob Barr demonstrate this. I ask anyone who has ever contributed to the people who support this blasphemy of a bill to send them an email asking them to remove your name from their mailing list, and to cease all further calls for money. It's a first step, and only a first step, but one we should make.

Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves. Herbert Marcuse

Elections mean nothing unless we control the process by which the candidates are selected for us. The far right learned that lesson by out-organizing, out-joining and out-maneuvering many of the other factions in the Republican Party. We would do well to imitate their example within the Democratic Party. Merely sending money to "progressive" challengers is not enough. We must be positioned to make the choice for ourselves as to who is and is not the progressive in the race. We can't so that on the sidelines.

Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Frederick Douglass

This is the true Long War in which America is engaged. And we must fight it at home against the fear, the prejudice, and the weakness of our fellow citizens, and against the cupidity and corruption of our political leaders. No one ever said it would be easy, folks.

We have learned that power is a positive force if it is used for positive purposes. Elizabeth Dole

Elizabeth Dole is an idiot. But then she believes the FISA bill serves a positive purpose. I include her quote here, at the end, as a warning. There will always be those who believe unmitigated power in the right hands and employed for the right purposes is a good thing. History teaches us, if nothing else, that such beliefs are delusional. Power accumulates and spreads if not checked by Justice.



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there is no such thing as history. there are only historians.
by S2 on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 11:51:22 AM EST
Indeed they do.

Obama is a Patriot
by Steven D on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 11:52:01 AM EST
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by S2 on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:57:50 PM EST
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nice quotes - note Douglass sp

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:11:59 PM EST
Thanks.  I would be lost without you guys to proof read me.  ;)

Obama is a Patriot
by Steven D on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:13:58 PM EST
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!de nada!


Viva Obama
by Errol on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:25:01 PM EST
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Hi Steven.  Yesterday's "yes" votes are here, along with home page links.
by danps (dan at pruningshears_dot us) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:25:33 PM EST
some of Lord John Dalberg-Acton's come to mind:

"Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

"The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections."

"And remember, where you have a concentration of power in a few hands, all too frequently men with the mentality of gangsters get control. History has proven that. All power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

"The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks."

"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. EVERY class is unfit to govern."

"Liberty is not the power of doing what we like, but the right to do what we ought."

"There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men."

lm off to a romp in the park with the Bu and her frisbee.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 12:55:16 PM EST
Something for the Congressional Democrats to consider when they hear from us:

Better is open rebuke than hidden love.
 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.


The Underground Railroad
by Oscar In Louisville on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 01:11:05 PM EST
FISA

Today cautiously I joined a bipartisan majority in the House of Representatives in support of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Amendments Act of 2008. This was a very difficult vote for me. I have opposed previous measures to reauthorize the legislation but felt this legislation represented the best compromise possible. The legislation was approved by a vote of 293-129 after months of bipartisan negotiations led by my friend and colleague Senator Bond.

Most importantly the bill:

    * Prevents any President from using executive power to conduct warrantless domestic surveillance and clarifies that to conduct surveillance of a person in the United States, the government must first obtain an individual warrant from the FISA Court based on probable cause.

    * Requires prior review and approval by the FISA Court of the targeting and minimization procedures to ensure that U.S. citizens are not targeted and that any inadvertently intercepted communications are not disseminated.

The legislation passed today replaces the controversial and hastily prepared Protect America Act and ensures there is no gap in intelligence collection against terrorists, while strengthening our civil liberties by preventing the government from surveilling citizens without a lawful warrant.

Previously I had voted against measures that included blanket immunity to telecom companies who participated in illegal activities at the request of the Administration. This legislation rejects blanket immunity for telecommunications companies and instead allows federal district courts to determine whether substantial evidence supports civil liability protection for companies which assisted in post-9/11 activities. Additionally, the bill does not provide immunity to any government official who may have violated the law.

This is not a perfect solution, but without this compromise there would be no guarantee that the Administration would not continue pursuing wiretaps on citizens without a warrant. I believe this bill makes it clear to the judiciary, law enforcement and private telephone companies that we are a nation of laws and those laws cannot be ignored.

Despite some disappointment, without 60 votes in the Senate this compromise is the best we are going to get. The reality is there are legitimate security reasons for surveillance, and now the independent FISA court is once again solely responsible for reviewing and authorizing domestic wiretaps.

This legislation sunsets at the end of 2012, and it is imperative that we scrutinize its implementation over the next four years, and make any necessary changes.


I don't know if he actually read the damn bill and is just quoting talking points or if there is merit in what he (Congressman Emanuel Cleaver) says.

Grandma Jo
by glitterscale (glitteryscale@yahoo.com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:08:25 PM EST
Read Glenn Greenwald's take.  I trust his review of the legislation rather than someone trying to cya.

Obama is a Patriot
by Steven D on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 02:16:15 PM EST
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