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Clark was Right

by Steven D
Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:18:00 AM EST

I have no problem with Obama refusing to get into a debate on John McCain's military record. But that doesn't mean that Wes Clark, former NATO commander and also a "war hero" for his service in Vietnam was wrong to say that McCain's military service does not ipso facto qualify him to be Commander in Chief. Indeed, as he pointed out there is a lot in McCain's record that suggests he is ill suited to make the informed strategic decisions that will be necessary in the coming years to address the many foreign policy issues that are likely to arise, not just in Iraq, but in India/Pakistan, Eastern Europe, Africa and Eastern Asia.

But don't take my word for it. Here is the best defense I've seen of General Clark's statements about McCain yet, from another former General, Robert S. Gard Jr., at Huffington Post. He says it far better than I could:

On CBS's Face the Nation, General Clark said that he believed John McCain was "untried and untested." Journalist Bob Schieffer asked him to explain what he meant. How could Clark make such a claim when "you're talking about somebody who was a prisoner of war? He was a squadron commander of the largest squadron in the Navy. He's been on the Senate Armed Services Committee for many years. How can you say that John McCain is un-untested and untried?" And here's General Clark's answer:>

Because in the matters of national security policy making, it's a matter of understanding risk. It's a matter of gauging your opponents, and it's a matter of being held accountable. John McCain's never done any of that in his official positions. I certainly honor his service as a prisoner of war. He was a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands and millions of others in Armed Forces as a prisoner of war. He has been a voice on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and he has traveled all over the world. But he hasn't held executive responsibility.

As a retired military officer and a soldier who served his country for over thirty years, I can tell you that there's nothing in what Wes Clark said with which I disagree. He has not only stated the facts, he knows something about them. John McCain was a prisoner of war, an officer who served as a squadron commander, and has been and is a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. John McCain can put his service to country up against anyone's. But General Clark has served also -- and with great courage: he was wounded four times in Vietnam -- and like John McCain, he has met and seen the enemy.

Is what Wesley Clark said true? Let's check some other facts: John McCain made claims about progress in security by walking through the streets of Baghdad. But as I recall, he was protected by at least a platoon of American soldiers and helicopters lying overhead. In matters of national security, as General Clark pointed out, "it's a matter of understanding risk," and it's "gauging your opponents;" and it's also a "matter of being held accountable."

... [B]eing a prisoner of the Vietnamese and serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee does not automatically qualify one for the position of Commander-in-Chief -- understanding risks, gauging your opponents and being held accountable does. We must end this glib obeisance to sacrifice and ask deeper questions: is a man who sings "bomb, bomb, bomb ... bomb, bomb Iran" a man who understands risks? Is a man who says that we must keep our troops in Iraq until we achieve an ill-defined "victory" really know how to gauge America's opponents. If we want to hold people accountable, then let's stand behind my friend Wes Clark -- and hold John McCain accountable for what he's said.

Clark didn't question McCain's service or his patriotism. What he did question was McCain's judgment. And isn't that what Obama has claimed all along, that judgment is the key issue for determining who should have his or her hands on the nuclear button? Rejecting General Clark was wrong. It's not too late to defend him with the basic theme of Obama's camapign: John McCain lacks the judgment to be given command over the largest military on earth.

In politics one can run away from an opponent's perceived strength or one can attack it straight on. The more Democrats run away from McCain's perceived strength of being superior in the area of national security, the greater that strength will become. Unlike Bush who swift boated Kerry, we don't need to slander McCain's military record. We just need to tell the truth. I suggest Obama allow General Clark and others to do that if he is unwilling to do it himself, without rejecting the messenger or suggesting that any statements about McCain's qualifications to be the head of our Armed Forces are off limits. Why build up your opponent's strength? Why make McCain's military service more than what it is in the minds of the public. The Republican's aren't afraid to attack Obama on his perceived strengths. Let's not be afraid to attack McCain on the only thing he supposedly has going for him: his national security bona fides.

Because as General Clark said, when you look at them closely "there's no there there."



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NPR's Morning Edition referred to Gen. Clark as an Obama surrogate. When did he become that? Last I looked he was a Hillary surrogate.

Gen. Clark is right on McCain. He should stand by his views. Obama has turned on his message. A very very big mistake.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:29:32 AM EST
One reason why I stopped listening to NPR. It regurgitates the same "common wisdom."

iredit, trying to tie anyone they can to Obama is the last strategy left to the Repubs and their minions (in this case, NPR). That's what the whole angry minister thing was about.

Don't know if Obama made a political mistake, though.

by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:53:52 AM EST
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Can Randy Cunningham be nominated for Veep from his prison cell? He was an Ace.
by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:50:06 AM EST
And a Duke too, so he would fit right in with the monarchy -- er, unitary executive.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:54:10 AM EST
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Look, I agree McCain is absolutely a poor choice for president of these United States, based on his experience and his ideology.  But this game is not being played on an even playing field.  

We would be well-served to remember that what works for Republicans will not necessarily work for Democrats for a variety of reasons.  

And we should also remember that just because you want something to be a certain way, and you can reasonably argue that something should be a certain way does not mean it will be that way.

there is no such thing as history. there are only historians.

by S2 on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:27:25 AM EST
It will never work if we back away from the battle.  When the Republicans felt that the "playing field" was tilted against them, did they back down under Reagan and Gingrich?  No.  They got their points out in the public and didn't care what the talking heads were saying about them.  That is exactly what we need to be doing.

Every day someone should be saying something about McCain not being qualified to be Commander in Chief because he lacks judgment.  Every damn day.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

by Steven D on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:32:11 AM EST
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the Republicans felt that the "playing field" was tilted against them

"felt" should read "projected."  That is their game as played on their field, with an extremely different idea of what the goal is.  

The most extreme expression of your idea I have heard is  "we need a Karl Rove on our side."  But our goal is democracy, which is best served by different methods than authoritarianism.  

there is no such thing as history. there are only historians.

by S2 on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:13:23 AM EST
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And I might add, this strategy of backing away from criticizing Republicans over national security matters didn't work in the past for Democrats.  Only in 2006 when Democrats (some of them at least) took on the Republicans on the issue of the war and national security did they win victories, victories that were denied them in 2002 and 2004 when they did exactly what you are suggesting they do now.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:36:17 AM EST
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I agree whole-heartedly. and that's where any objection I have to Obama's "condemnation of clark" comes from. Democrats don't win when they try to avoid losing and backing down before GOP hystrionics.    Your point about Gingrich and the rest is also true.  They didn't care what the talking heads said and just kept ramming their stuff through.

And look at the GOP's success!  It took nearly 10 years for dems to take back congress and the senate, and even now I would argue the majority of Democrats are STILL scared of the GOP.  That's some reputation when you're scared of the minority.  

Would you believe that Pat Murphy's aide on Intelligence and I spoke for about half-an-hour about FISA yesterday, and he kept coming back to the reason that Murphy voted for the bill was because the GOP wouldn't let anything else pass?  I asked "what does it matter what they want? they're the minority, and when the GOP held the majority, did they give a damn what the Dems wanted?"?

Fella didn't have a good answer to that one, but it sure reflected the "don't make the GOP mad" premise that seems to afflict so many Democrats.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:13:04 AM EST
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Pat would get better advice if he had me working with him on intelligence matters.  I don't think it helped that even the Northern Blue Dogs like his friend Arcuri and Gillibrand were getting the same advice.  

It really is his first really bad vote on anything that really matters.  And it's really a blow to everyone that has so much faith in him.  I still have faith in him because I know him and I don't think there is a better person in congress.  I wasn't really kidding about that intervention idea.

by BooMan on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:36:53 AM EST
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schedule one!  I want to be happy with Pat again too!

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 12:26:25 PM EST
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when they did exactly what you are suggesting they do now

I'm not suggesting "they" do anything.

I am saying "we" should maintain a realistic view of the situation, because pretending things are the way "we" want them does not make things be the way we want them.

Nothing would make me happier than to have a president, a congress, and a mayor whose greatest focus is on civil liberty, because I think all other issues fall into place behind this over-arching ideal.  But I know that is not going to happen right now, not yet.

there is no such thing as history. there are only historians.

by S2 on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 11:22:33 AM EST
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Unfortunately, not everyone who heard Clark's earlier statement will hear his far more nuanced subsequent comments.  I realize that soundbite-based media coverage doesn't always allow for balanced and well considered statements, but the initial words will be taken by some as disrespectful.  I'm not sure that this was at all helpful to Obama.  

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 10:54:14 AM EST
Jed breaks down What Wesley Clark Really Said with this video and blog post. Everyone else distorted it the next day and they continue to now. It's like they only heard what they wanted to hear... or what the McCain campaign told them to hear.

by RandyH on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 12:17:25 PM EST
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Yes.  The first people that stand up to the bullies will probably lose.  MoveOn certainly lost for their courage.  Wes Clark is losing.

But to win in the long-term we have to stand behind these people.  That's how one changes the dynamic.  The first step is the hardest.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 12:42:44 PM EST
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You can retreat or you can counterattack.  Democrats except in the 2006 campaign have been all about retreating over the last 30 years (and yes, I include the Clinton administration in that since triangulation is just a fancy way of taking credit for conservative policies while surrendering on liberal principles).

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt
by Steven D on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 02:38:37 PM EST
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I watched the show, and heard exactly what he said, and as stated here, by the next morning, it was all distorted, but what would you expect from the cheating,lying,theiving,torturing,etc,etc, administration we've had the past 8yrs?????

Reagan was no different, it just started there, and has only digressed since.

People need to get some backbone, and shout at the top of their lungs....ENOUGH

Now, can someone stand up, and lead this country with honesty, and integrity, the way it has been fought and died for since it was formed.

"what a wonderful world"- Louis Armstrong

by infidelpig (rdewaynetaylor01@earthlink.net) on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 05:07:25 PM EST
Let me go on record as saying that a former POW is a potential liability as a Commander-in-Chief. I don't approve of attacking McCain based on his military record, but there is a strong likelihood that McCain's treatment as a POW affected him psychologically.

I like John McCain personally, even though I don't agree with many of his political stances, but his fitness for office must be examined in light of his unusual experiences as a POW. It's not a choice of whether to attack him; it's simply a question of whether he can meet the burden placed on him by the demands of Presidency.

I recoiled when I first saw the suggestion that McCain could be experiencing PTSD, but I have to admit that there is strong possibility that he is, and this could account for his frequent outbursts of anger. I'm strongly against character assassination, but the Presidency isn't a prize we award because of sympathy. The question of Presidential fitness should be examined without partisan bias, and the determination of fitness shouldn't be guided by ideological considerations.

I'm reminded of McGovern's withdrawal of the name of Eagleton as VP upon finding that Eagleton had undergone psychological treatment, including shock therapy. Unlike Eagleton, whose only physical problem was exhaustion, McCain's experiences are undeniable. And the categorization of him as at-risk for psychological problems is supported by medical research; not partisan political considerations.

"..the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. .. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked.." - Goering

by colinski on Tue Jul 1st, 2008 at 05:33:47 PM EST


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