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Sebelius for Veep

by BooMan
Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:35:53 AM EST

I'm still high on Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius as a running mate. By now you should be familiar with the obvious strengths she brings to the table, but I will list them anyway. She's won statewide election twice in a very conservative state, and she was reelected with 58% of the vote and retains high approval ratings. She's Catholic, and should help with that key swing demographic. She's obviously a woman, and she can peel off significant numbers of independent and conservative women from McCain's camp, while solidifying former Clinton supporters within the Democratic camp. And there is an even better qualification from a progressive point of view. I'll let the Republicans make my case for me:

Kansas Republicans, however, say that’s [lack of national security experience] just the tip of the iceberg when looking at Sebelius’s shortcomings.

Kris Kobach, chairman of the Kansas Republican Party, said Sebelius has failed to take any centrist or conservative positions on key issues.

“She simply can’t point to a single place where she took a position that was even moderate in nature,” Kobach said.

As examples of her radical leftiness, the Republicans site two things:

Kobach, who said the state party has been supplying background information on Sebelius to the Republican National Committee, said Sebelius’s vetoes of bills that would expand clean coal plants in Western Kansas are at odds with the state’s voters.

“That’s a pretty radical view for any state, but particularly in Kansas,” Kobach said.

So, despite standing up to the energy bigwigs and rejecting coal-fired plants in her state, she still remains popular.

Kobach also said the governor angered many independent voters and Republicans in the state by vetoing legislation that would tighten abortion laws.

“Again she was playing to the hard left of the Democratic Party, probably to gain national attention and get herself on [Obama’s] list,” he said.

And while the latter issue doesn’t play well in Kansas, it almost certainly would appeal to Democratic female voters who supported Clinton and might still be angry.

Here's another amazing thing. Despite more than once vetoing abortion restrictions that were passed with overwhelming support by the state legislature, she remains very popular. How could this be?

Gov. Sebelius fits very nicely into Barack Obama's brand. Here's how Sebelius describes that brand:

She added that the reason she endorsed Obama so early, even as he ran against a candidate who could have been the first female nominee, is “his ability and willingness to reach across party lines.”

“He believes as I do that good ideas don’t come with party labels,” Sebelius said.

Right. Both Obama and Sebelius try to frame their policies as post-partisan, but when you look at their voting records they are reliable Democrats on choice, on the environment, on gay rights, and on other core issues. They are not doctrinaire, but neither are they iconoclastic. They'll look at unorthodox positions around the edges and reach out to the other side, but this just affords the other side respect and generally makes them feel more comfortable about losing policy battles.

There is also something potentially synergistic about breaking both the race and gender barriers in the same campaign. Together they would bring a similar type of excitement everywhere they went. You won't get that with an Obama-Nunn or Obama-Biden ticket. Emphasizing the history-making aspects of an Obama campaign is a good way to avoid the inevitable feeling, as the campaign wears on, that Obama is just another calculating politician.

But, most importantly for a vice-presidential pick, Kathleen Sebelius is qualified. She isn't a token pick, she isn't going to be asked to deliver Kansas, or win over some interest group's loyalty. She has executive experience that Obama lacks, and that adds to her appeal and potential usefulness in his administration.

I'm sold on her. I think she'd be a great pick.



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Then I heard her reply to the SOTU. Eww, what a weak speech.  Not good on delivery, not good on substance, not really a good speech in any sense.  

You gotta be good on the stump, and I didn't see that.

She brings nothing national security, and that is where Obama needs shoring up.  

So, I am not really on the same page as you on Sebelius.

by dataguy on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:39:48 AM EST
Let's see.

Which of these successful veepees were good on the stump?

  1. Dick Cheney
  2. Dan Quayle.
  3. George H.W. Bush
  4. Spiro Agnew
  5. Richard Nixon

For that matter, I think it is a stretch to say that Al Gore, Walter Mondale, or LBJ were particularly good on the stump.  

Gore might have been the best of them, and that's saying something about the importance you are putting on the veep's speechmaking ability.

Plus, the response to the SOTU wasn't the stump.  It was a friggin' living room with no live audience.

by BooMan on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:45:17 AM EST
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GOP Envisions Gephardt as Possible Obama Running Mate

Republican strategists trying to game Sen. Barack Obama's choice for a running mate are focusing more and more on the possibility that he might pick former House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, a friend of labor and blue-collar workers. "Gephardt is the one we're most afraid of," said a key GOP strategist and Bush ally.

[.]

Former Gephardt aides say that while they would like to see their former boss on the ticket, it is unlikely because of his recent lobbying work. In a new poll from the marketing firm Affinnova, Gephardt ranks high on the favorability rating, just second among those polled behind Colin Powell as the choice for Obama's running mate.



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:33:47 PM EST
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Well, she didn't get elected in Kansas because she's so "liberal", so she must have something going for her besides policy wonkery. Doesn't quite add up that she's so non-charisma.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:01:30 PM EST
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Tiresome to hear the old strategy of comparing any and all Dem positions against Rep as if the Rep is the standard bearer.

If Obama's administration has any chance of righting Bush's ship, it will need every ounce of charisma and trust it can muster to sell the restoration. Since the Rep have only one option left that they seem to recognize and that is to be obstructionists, the sales job will be to the American public not to the Rep's. I pause that she may be a bit of a moonsail.

by mainsailset on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:02:21 PM EST
can you elaborate a little?
by BooMan on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:05:42 PM EST
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sorry that took so long, do you mean definition of moonsail

Has everyone seen that Darcy Burner's house burned down?


by mainsailset on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:40:21 PM EST
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No, I didn't see it.  That's terrible.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:58:38 PM EST
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no, Sebelius should no be VP she's not qualified and I think Obama can find another qualified candidate. Republicans will have a field day with this ...

http://www.gilliusinc.com/dropsoap.html

and a little more info:

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/012608/bus_240507951.shtml

by americanforliberty on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:47:53 PM EST
Our only exposure to her was her rebuttal to the SOU speech.  Both were terrible--the speech and the rebuttal.
by Heart of the Rockies on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:56:32 PM EST
I appreciate the gravity of being a popular Democratic governor in Kansas.  But what specifically makes her popular among the Kansas Republican electorate?

The story doesn't mention this bit of background (from Wikipedia), but my hunch is that she built her support before she became governor:

In 1994 she left the Kansas House to run for state insurance commissioner and stunned political forecasters by winning -- the first time a Democrat had won in more than 100 years. She is credited with bringing the agency out from under the influence of the insurance industry...

So, how has she maintained support as governor?  And how important would those factors be on a national stage?

Secondly, I understand citing the perspective of GOP operatives to boost her progressive credibility. But GOP operatives are so susceptible to hyperbole, they have a credibility problem on any subject.  Instead, I'd like to know what the voters think.

I am open to her candidacy--I am impressed with what I've learned--, but not convinced that she's a 1st tier candidate to help in November.

My concern is whether a Obama/Sebelius ticket carries a name-recognition factor that will help the ballot. She's had virtually no national exposure except for the SOTU speech; my instinct that is Obama would be better served with a VP who would be a magnet to those who otherwise might tilt towards McCain. I like Clark for that (and expect his comments this week will fade into obscurity for the casual voter).  

I'm not going to worry about it, though. I have no doubt that polling is taking place on potential VP choices, and so far I've been very satisfied with all the strategic and tactical decisions by the Obama campaign.  I have faith they will make the best decision possible...and I'd be happy with Sebelius.

by Sawgrass on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:32:20 PM EST
I like Sebelius from what little I know of her although her response to bush's speech just about put me to sleep.

I'm not going to worry about vp because if I get all worked up about who I think Obama should choose and he doesn't then I'll feel let down. In other words I'll let Obama be the 'decider' on who he picks.  Beside the fact that other than a few poll number bumps for whoever he picks I don't think the public really cares that much who is vp pick.

The only people who benefit from who Obama or McCain pick for vp is the 'news' media-it gives them a chance to bloviate indefinitely about who should or should not be vp picks for either nominee.

'Poverty is the worst form of violence'--Gandhi

by chocolate ink on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:52:57 PM EST
Let him pick. As long as it's not Hillary.
by The Voice In The Wilderness on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 07:06:29 PM EST
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