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Urban vs. Academic Progressives

by BooMan
Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 03:37:24 PM EST

During the primary, Barack Obama came under some criticism for being inconsistent in his position on single-payer health care. But, he explained his mix of idealism and pragmatism in early 2007:

In a profile of the Senator in the New Yorker this past spring he offered that, "a single-payer system-a government-managed system like Canada's, which disconnects health insurance from employment-'would probably make sense. But we've got all these legacy systems in place, and managing the transition, as well as adjusting the culture to a different system, would be difficult to pull off. So we may need a system that's not so disruptive that people feel like suddenly what they've known for most of their lives is thrown by the wayside.'"

Another way of putting this is that Barack Obama would prefer a single-payer system but that it is politically impossible to get it done at the moment and he isn't going to let people go without health insurance just because health coverage is a theoretically better solution. Now, you can be cynical and say he's just making excuses, but this is a consistent theme with Obama and I believe it comes from his experiences working with the needy in the inner city. I think those experiences inform a lot of his pragmatic approaches and that what might seem centrist is actually coming from a progressive place. Here he is announcing his faith-based plan:

You know, faith based groups like East Side Community Ministry carry a particular meaning for me. Because in a way, they're what led me into public service. It was a Catholic group called The Campaign for Human Development that helped fund the work I did many years ago in Chicago to help lift up neighborhoods that were devastated by the closure of a local steel plant...

...There are millions of Americans who share a similar view of their faith, who feel they have an obligation to help others. And they're making a difference in communities all across this country – through initiatives like Ready4Work, which is helping ensure that ex-offenders don't return to a life of crime; or Catholic Charities, which is feeding the hungry and making sure we don't have homeless veterans sleeping on the streets of Chicago; or the good work that's being done by a coalition of religious groups to rebuild New Orleans.

You see, while these groups are often made up of folks who've come together around a common faith, they're usually working to help people of all faiths or of no faith at all. And they're particularly well-placed to offer help. As I've said many times, I believe that change comes not from the top-down, but from the bottom-up, and few are closer to the people than our churches, synagogues, temples, and mosques.

Anyone that has done political work in the inner city is familiar with the essential work that faith-based groups do for the homeless, people with AIDs, the elderly and infirm, and with troubled youth and released felons. And, anyone who's been down in those trenches knows that as much as we might want the local, state, and federal governments to do more, they aren't doing it right now. There is no ready substitute for the work of faith-based groups. That's why you'll see a lot more sympathy for federal funding of faith-based groups in the urban progressive community than you will see in the academic progressive community which tends to worry about proselytizing and the irrationality of religion.

We see these same urban progressive instincts informing today's call for a National Service Program:

"We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges."

He added, "When you choose to serve — whether it's your nation, your community or simply your neighborhood — you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That's why it's called the American dream."

Obama highlighted his time as a community organizer on Chicago's South Side and his stint heading Project Vote, a group that helped register 150,000 new African-American voters in the Illinois city, according to his campaign.

"I wasn't just helping other people. Through service, I found a community that embraced me; citizenship that was meaningful; the direction I'd been seeking. Through service, I discovered how my own improbable story fit into the larger story of America," he said.

Another area where urban progressives often flirt with centrist/conservative opinion is on the issue of school vouchers. It's another example of where frustrated progressives become so despairing of the problems of the present that they are willing to entertain anything that might help. Obama opposes vouchers, but not rigidly, as we learned this spring.

"I will not allow my predispositions to stand in the way of making sure that our kids can learn," Mr. Obama, who has previously said he opposes vouchers, said in a meeting with the editorial board of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. "We're losing several generations of kids, and something has to be done."

Education analysts said Mr. Obama's statement is the closest they have ever seen a Democratic presidential candidate come to embracing the idea of vouchers.

Obama has laid out an extensive public education plan that does not include vouchers. But his willingness to keep an open-mind is part and parcel of his determination to go beyond orthodoxy when necessary to address urgent problems.

There is a consistency to his approach. Even Obama's Father's Day Speech should be seen in this same light. He knows that absent fathers are undermining the health of the black community and he's not going to be silent about it because it might offend some people or reinforce some negative stereotypes.

Obama's approach creates a kind of wedge between urban and academic progressives, and some of these fissures are along the same lines that conservatives have previously identified and sought to exploit. Yet, Obama is not firmly in the urban progressive mode. His willingness to entertain class-based affirmative action, for example, is inconsistent with urban progressivism. Insofar as it is progressive at all, it has been academic progressives that have advocated broadening affirmative action in order to save it. And it is another fault line (this time, between progressives and moderate Dems) that conservatives have probed with much electoral success.

Obama doesn't fit neatly into any a priori categories. He brings an urban progressive sensibility to problems, but he is intensely practical. He's also, by necessity, built a coalition that pulls from both urban/academic progressives on one side and from Plains/Mountain state centrists on the other. There is a certain amount of overlap, which is natural for a politician from the Upper Midwest, where progressive idealism has always mixed with more bread and butter issues. See, for example, Minnesota's Farm-Labor Party.

Added confusion comes from Obama's attempts to compensate for and anticipate some of his weaknesses. Acting tough on child rapists and defending gun ownership are really defensive measures meant to blunt or preempt Republican attacks. Reversing himself on FISA is an overcompensation that he will live to regret (in his legacy, if nothing else). And these moves can make him look like more of a centrist than he is. Of course, that's the intention.

It's really in foreign policy where progressives have the most to fear. We know Barack Obama has good judgment and instincts, but he has no progressive bench to pull from to staff-up his national security organization. He's relied heavily on staff that opposed the invasion of Iraq, and that's good. But he is still going to wind up with a national security staff that falls short of his goal of changing the mindset that got into the war with Iraq. We can only hope that Obama's good judgment and instincts hold, and that he builds up a progressive staff during his presidency that better reflects his values.



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I can understand the apprehension of some about his moves regarding FISA, but I just do not understand the concern over the faith-based initiatives. He's not mirroring the shrub operation at all, except to say that he'll have an office for them. There will be rules. Lots of them are doing good work. Secular programs will be included. So what's the beef with it?

The shrub version was never intended to be of service to anyone other than Bush Co. It was intended to make him look more moderate than he was in the eyes of moderates/independents; liberals knew it was BS and the wingnuts either knew it too or didn't care much at all.

There are lots of faith communities that are doing wonderful work; some of them can reach people for government services than the government can because there's more trust, etc. And truth be told, many of them have been forming nonprofit entities to keep the funds separate for their social service work for years.

Like I said on another thread, what part of "I worked with churches" from his stump speech did folks miss? I'd be more surprised if he didn't have a faith-based plan and national service plan.

And I'd bet that he's rolling these initiatives out now because the 4th is Friday--and he's introducing his ideas while people thoughts are on patriotism and the country's anniversary. Oh, and re-defining patriotism, too.

I fail to see the downside...I do.

The only thing that gives me pause is the voucher issue, and even I understand why he doesn't dismiss out of hand. If your child is stuck in a sub-standard school, you'd want vouchers, too. You'd want to find a way out; any way out. But I am a radical regarding education. Until we have equal state funding for all schools across the board, we are just nibbling the edges of this thing. And frankly, real reform won't happen until we go all the way and nationalize education, allowing states to build flexibility to learn more in-depth about their state/local area. There's no reason why some kids learn algebra in the 7th grade and others in the 10th. They need to be assessed fairly and not be slaves to all of these stupid tests. Have one, solid standard for ALL kids; if some meet or exceed them, fine. Keep the honors classes, IB, AP, etc. Have professionals ready to help other students get up to standard, but don't water down the standard to be meaningless. Fully fund special education (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act or IDEA) and stop the 30-yr futzing around with it.

I don't even like school boards, to be truthful. I find that a lot of them are filled with know-nothings who are content to keep our kids ignorant while they ascend to the next step on the political ladder. To the extent we are stuck with them, I think they should be made up of education professionals only, with a seat designated for parents, one for nonprofits and one for business interests.  

But I digress...

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:21:41 PM EST
I should clarify--I want to see the end of funding schools based on property taxes. I think it should be funded by a state/federal mix. And the standards for a set core curriculum should be set nationally...math, English, science, history, foreign language. There should be time set aside for learning local history, fine arts, etc.

Can't hear ya, Peach!
by AP on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 09:02:28 PM EST
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In the abstract this sounds good, but in practice I think you are inviting disaster. I agree with you about the funding issue but the impetus to "standards", "testing" , "accountability" and more centralization of schools is having the oppposite, unintended effect. I just can't see this working.

My solution would be to abolish the education degree outside of the K-8 range. Give teachers reasonable autonomy in the classroom, let 'em teach and hire people for knowledge of the subject matter rather than on how much silly pedagogical "theory" and psycho-babble they have imbibed.

by Citizen Rat on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 09:57:28 AM EST
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I understand your concerns, and I was too rushed to really flesh it out. Shrub's minions have really debased language, because "standards" has now been made a dirty word. But what I mean by it is that there is a floor of things kids should learn beneath which no child should fall, and it should be the same regardless of state or locality. Why is that a curriculum in City A is so drastically different than City Z, or the curriculum in Vermont is so different than the one in Nebraska?

E.g., if a child can start algebra in the 5th grade, great, but every child will do so by 8th grade. Biology no later than 9th grade. Foreign language to be started no later than 8th. And so on.

In my perfect world :<) , testing would be used as it is supposed to be used--as an assessment/diagnostic tool, but not the only one. Certainly it would not be used as it is currently--a bludgeon to punish schools for failing to attain some BS score as opposed to actually measuring what's been learned and make teaching adjustments accordingly.

And speaking of teachers, they'd be paid much better.

All schools would be operated year-round. We should not run our schools so amusement park management can have a steady supply of cheap labor.

But what really burns me is funding education on based on local property taxes, which is totally unfair. That means that lots of kids are starting with one hand tied behind their backs. I believe children have the right to an appropriate education, regardless of where s/he lives, both for their own sakes and to safeguard and perpetuate democracy. (We cannot have a functioning democracy without educated citizens. You have to be able to read and comprehend the Constitution to properly follow it.)

I know what I'm after is ambitious. Utopian, even. I'll never live to see it happen. I personally think it would take a century to get it done. I know the argument that because education is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, it is deemed a state function. But that's really an excuse. The founders couldn't foresee everything. I'm so over the vaunted "local control," I really am. I've never understood why education gets run by people who are not education professionals.

Like I said, I'm a bit of a radical about it. I know I'll never get my perfect world, but I am willing to work to see a part of it come to life.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:09:04 AM EST
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Oh I forgot--just because one is a content matter expert DOES NOT make him or her a good teacher, or even a merely competent one.

Clearly, you'd want someone who is knowledgeable in their subject, but I find pedagogical theory neither silly nor psycho-babble.

What is a concern is how one defining a "highly-qualified" teacher. Again, you don't want some know-nothing walking through the front door. But the standards (damn, there's that word again!) by which that's measured get to be so ridiculous, until you can have a teacher, say, who's successfully (meaning, they have a track record) worked with special-needs kids for 15 years, but if they don't have one BS requirement, they are suddenly "not qualified."

We don't even have kids yet, but I am not flippin' playing about their education when they get here.  

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:34:12 AM EST
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Added confusion comes from Obama's attempts to compensate for and anticipate some of his weaknesses. Acting tough on child rapists and defending gun ownership are really defensive measures meant to blunt or preempt Republican attacks. Reversing himself on FISA is an overcompensation that he will live to regret (in his legacy, if nothing else). And these moves can make him look like more of a centrist than he is. Of course, that's the intention.

still sprouting my chicken little under feathers, mind you, this Tom Edsall piece "What Obama Can Learn from Bubba" touches on my concerns:

What this suggests is that changing positions is a highly risky political strategy.

Mississippi Democratic strategist Jere Nash noted that in Obama's case, "it matters more that he is consistent than what his original position was vs. what his final position becomes. Or, he admits he has changed his mind because circumstances have changed. My own view is that [now], four months out, is too late to 'tack.' The GOP has thousands of things they can say about Obama to turn him into a liberal, even without FISA and guns (and even if they didn't have it, they'd make it up)..

"Folks in the middle of the bell curve who have become attracted to Obama are attracted to him because he represents something different, not from a public policy perspective but from the perspective of all of those intangible qualities we characterize a leader by. If he begins to contradict himself or change his mind or appear groveling to special interest groups, then he will slowly undermine what has heretofore been one of his signal strengths."

Another Democratic strategist with deep roots in the South, James Duffy, voiced considerable concern about Obama's changing stands:

"I honestly don't know what to think. He wins the primary by being the new face, the anti-Washington voice. Now, he is beginning to act in a completely different way... What happened to the new voice, the new way, the desire for change? Given the mood in the country, it may not matter, but for my money he is seriously undercutting his basic appeal."

Managing the shift from the primary election, in which voters have stronger partisan commitments on issues running the gamut from Iraq to health care, to the general is one of the more difficult processes in politics.

"Tacking to the right is the great summer pastime of Democratic nominees, particularly those who aspire to win electoral votes in places like Virginia and Colorado," said Yale political scientists Donald Green. "The risk for Senator Obama is that he is seen as shooting from the hip on the issues that arise daily, as opposed to stating his moderate positions ahead of time and indicating how they fit within a broad set of principles... The fact is that Americans vote less on issues than on persona, and one cannot be seen as a flip-flopper or a neophyte."

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Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:13:06 PM EST
I think, as I tried to express in this piece, that Obama's center-tack is actually made up of two separate pieces that are getting conflated.  I believe the FISA thing alone is damaging his well-intentioned strategy of taking an urban progressive agenda to the people in the center and on the right and finding common cause.  

So...

Obama is rolling out policy that has appeal to urban progressives and more conservative leaning people.

  1. Faith-based funding combined with evangelical outreach.
  2. National service program that will connect urban kids with the national interest and include them and provide meaning and direction.  
  3. Speaking out about responsible parenthood.

At the same time, he is trying to blunt attacks.

  1. Being soft of crime (child rapists)
  2. Being anti-gun (DC gun-law repeal)
  3. Being soft on terrorists (FISA)
  4. Being unpatriotic (Patriotism speech)

All of this can be broadly put in the Center-tacking category, but some of it matters, other parts do not.  Some of it is actually an enunciation of an urban progressive agenda cast in conservative frames.  And some of it counterproductive and should stop.  
by BooMan on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:32:40 PM EST
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Obama should tap you as a Senior Consultant to bring clarity to the campaign's transition phase.

On the health care issue, I read few weeks back that Elizabeth Edwards would become active in the campaign...teaming up with Obama.

 Smart move. Now, this I like.. helps me shed some more feathers.

Just In: via Politico

Elizabeth Edwards headlines $40M health care campaign

The NRA may be spending $40 million on pro-gun rights ads aimed at Barack Obama, but a coalition of liberal groups and labor unions is going to match that figure with a push on another hot issue: universal health care.

Next week, the group Health Care for America Now will unveil a $40 million effort, with the first ad buy being a $1.5 million in national print, online and broadcast advertising.

Elizabeth Edwards, wife of 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards, is the headliner for the coalition, which includes a who's who list of liberal organizations such as MoveOn.org, the housing group ACORN, Americans United for Change, the Campaign for America's Future, the Center for American Progress Action Fund, the National Education Association, National Women's Law Center, Planned Parenthood and the Service Employees International Union.

Guns or Affordable health care?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:47:54 PM EST
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l think fisa is indeed his biggest blunder. this is going to continue to drive the 'progressives/ and the libertarian-leaning constituencies  batshit bonkers...as witnessed by the diatribes in the progblogosphere to date. not that j-mac is an even worse choice in this regard, but barr's lurking out there, and cw that barr hurts st. john worse aside, this issue will hurt obama with the people who are virulently opposed to it. he can't afford to lose that 5%, or whatever it is, especially with 4 mos to go until the election.

unfortunately for us, and perhaps fortuitous for obama, the average voter, man on the street, doesn't give a two-penny damn about it because it's well below his/her event horizon....[based strictly on my own experience and anecdotal evidence]

regarding the other issues tho, l'm generally in agreement with your assessment, with the possible exception of the rejection of the scotus decision re: the death penalty for child rapists. even the aclu supported that decision. personally, l oppose the death penalty in all circumstances, so l'm in the minority in this country last time l looked. however, that's not the argument that's being presented, being soft on crime is...and opposition to the death penalty in no way is indicative of that, imo. in this particular circumstance, arguing against banning it does not lead me to believe he's strong on crime, just weak on the issue. is it a deal breaker, no,

fisa on the other hand may be as close to one as he can get and still maintain good relations with the progressives.

it still hasn't played itself out, and that's where all my energy and time is going until it's over. l'm too busy carping at politicians, including obama, to do much else anyway.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:12:47 PM EST
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FISA is a straight-up huge problem.

And I hesitate to talk about it while the push is on to change his mind.  

I'd rather just try to change his mind.

But if he doesn't, it still falls into a different general category than most of this other stuff.

by BooMan on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:37:12 PM EST
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As an academic progressive with some moderate leanings, I found this interesting. I might point out there are multiple types of "academic progressives":

  1. Foreign policy and economic progressives (people like myself);
  2. Textual progressives (the people who inhabit English Departments and think re-engineering the language will change the world and that Das Kapital's deeper implications have nothing to do with falling rates of profit and capital accumulation but is instead a very long treatise on literary criticism).

The only parts of the above that seriously concern me are:

  1. The FISA issue;
  2. Foreign policy overall.

The ones that concern me a little are:

  1. His opennness to vouchers-but then again, he didn't say he would support them-he just said he would keep an "open mind";
  2. Faith based initiatives which doesn't bother me very much as long as there are safeguards against proselytizing and it is open to any bona fide faith based group. I rather suspect that as soon as the local Wiccan chapter can get funds to help finance a battered woman's shelter, evangelical support for it will wither;

The one that I sort of understand is:

1. The death penalty for child rapists-on an emotional level its hard to oppose it. I have to remind myself of a lot of things to understand why its a bad idea. And besides, its kind of a throw away at this point.

I'm not remotely bothered-in fact to be frank I applaud:

  1. The Supreme Court's recent decision on gun control;
  2. I have never been a big fan of affirmative action at all. I've simply never thought it was worth my time and energy to worry excessively about it.
by Citizen Rat on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:00:06 PM EST
I think you well expressed the typical reaction of an academic progressive to this.  

FISA, plus pandering to AIPAC and tough-talk on Iran, etc., are major issues.  

Gun control and affirmative action are not.  

Faith-based stuff is a concern, makes you uncomfortable.  But not a deal breaker.  

That's where most of the blogosphere is coming down on these issues.  

Urban progressives are more concerned about affirmative action and gun control.  

What's being missed is how much of this 'centrism' that makes academic progressives uneasy is actually quite popular with urban progressives, and is not a lurch to the right but a bridge.  

by BooMan on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:12:41 PM EST
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