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by Steven D
Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 06:25:36 PM EST

Here's Four Hundred Eighty-Two Billion reasons to vote against McSame. And that's probably a low ball figure. Guess we need more tax cuts!



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Actually, we DO need a tax cut now. If Bush hadn't squandered the surplus, we could have a stimulative tax cut now and still be fiscally-prudent. Now we are between a rock and a hard place like Japan. Raising taxes will drag the economy down further and cutting them will put the dollar into free fall. We need an FDR-like change to restructure the economy.
by The Voice In The Wilderness on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 08:13:35 PM EST
  That 480 billion dollar does not even count the money they used from the trust fund. That yearly surplus that is supposed to be accumulating for the boomers. The money they use every year to make their numbers look better. This administration does not honor or even acknowledge that money. I believe its upwards of 170 billion this year. Nobody even talks about it anymore. So call it 650 billion. FDR is spinning in his grave.
  I truly hate these liars and war pigs.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 08:29:05 PM EST


"Only when we are no longer afraid do we begin to live." Dorothy Thompson, Journalist
by Indianadem on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 10:16:11 PM EST
Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show.

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Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.

Yep, the chickens have finally come home to roost.  The right wing silence on these facts will be deafening.

Owen said Adkisson's stated hatred of the liberal movement was not necessarily connected to any hostility toward Christianity or religion per say, but rather the political advocacy of the church.

The church's Web site states that it has worked for "desegregation, racial harmony, fair wages, women's rights and gay rights" since the 1950s. Current ministries involve emergency aid for the needy, school tutoring and support for the homeless, as well as a cafe that provides a gathering place for gay and lesbian high-schoolers.

Wow!  Racial harmony, fair wages, human and civil rights, aid to the poor, support for the homeless, reaching out to gay teens.  Sure does sound to me like stuff that Jesus would hate.

All the right wing nut jobs will do everything they can to push this one down the memory hole as quickly as possible.  It doesn't do much for their brand, that's for sure.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:45:24 AM EST
This one still torques me off.

If he had been a Muslim, or a Hispanic man, or African-American (especially in this election, can you imagine the invective spewed forth if a black man had been the killer here?), or any combination of the above, this story would still be front page on the 24 hour news channels.  We'd have yet another "national dialogue" on race or religion that would end up with Malkinvania or Pammykins or Savage screaming for more racial and ethnic profiling and rounding "these people up before they can attack us again."

The people who died would have been heroes.  They may have been "saved if they were allowed to exercise their full second amendment rights to carry firearms at all times"...

But he was a white guy with a Sean Hannity book and a beef against Unitarian liberals.  The people he killed?  Not conservative enough.

So not a peep on this story out of the usual suspects.  The news channels have already moved on to play "Who's the veep?" and "Amy Winehouse is in the hospital again!"

This has already been forgotten.

by Zandar1 on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:27:02 AM EST
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Tennessee is a Concealed Carry state.  Curious if this nut had a CC permit, though a shotgun certainly would not apply.  It's just that I always hear how you don't have to worry about the people who have CC permits, because they're always law abiding citizens and only criminals wouldn't bother to get a permit. And, not too surprisingly, it is a perfect illustration to some why you should be able to carry a gun everywhere, even church.  

"Yep, if that usher had a .45 on his hip, he wouldn't have had to take that round in his chest".

I heard that kind of sentiment from more than one person after Virginia Tech.

"Arm the college kids, it's the only way they'll be safe".  

Of course, those pantywaist liberals would only want to hug the shooter and get him counseling, right?

In the minds of neanderthal conservatives, it's just like an American western. The good guy is always the faster draw and guns down the dude in the black hat every time.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 10:36:55 AM EST
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not a good enough reason.

According to McCain, only he can save us because a vote for Obama will bring us a depression.

The McCain camp know of which they speak..but how will they save us from what has been cast?

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 07:03:01 PM EST
Only Republican's need apply:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/28/AR2008072801007.html?hpid=topnews

appears Gonzo's Justice Department played politics with the Justice Department. I think the Dems. should make all those political hires quit and re-apply. Wonder if John McCain is against "affirmative action" for Republicans.

by americanforliberty on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 07:03:56 PM EST
steven...don't be such a cassandra...we don't need a tax increase...the irs is cracking down on all those underlings abusing their company issued cellphones. that'll surely bring the deficit down.

l got a "log" for chimpy and j-mac...it's hollow and they can sleep in it.

the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 07:21:03 PM EST
Our campaign to take down a shock jock radio host has gone viral.  If you have no clue what I'm talking about, here's a good starting place

Latino Político | "We are condemned to kill time, thus we die bit by bit." - Octavio Paz
by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 07:37:50 PM EST
equally disturbing is this TPM, Josh Marshall's nugget:

McCain's foreign policy advisor Scheunemann:

Shouldn't They Tell You?

We're regularly told that we should be looking into the background of a presidential candidates key advisors. And in the on-going contretemps over who's got the best judgment and experience on Iraq, John McCain voice and brain is Randy Scheunemann. Look at the key statements from the campaign, the enunciations of policy and so forth and you'll see they're almost all statements from him. So who is it that's speaking for John McCain on Iraq and shaping his views of what our policy there should be?

It comes as no surprise that Scheunemann was a staunch supporter of the war. But he was much more that. He was not only a key behind-the-scenes promoter and architect of the war. He also had a troublingly close relationship with Ahmad Chalabi -- the Iraqi exile we now know fed the US reams of bogus intelligence about phantom WMD and ties to al Qaeda and allegedly also shared highly classified US intelligence with the Iranians. Indeed, something I didn't realize, back when he and other neoconservatives were cooking up the Iraq War in 2002, Scheunemann's lobbying firm, the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which he set up with the White House's blessing to gin up support for the Iraq War and Chalabi's handler/spokesman Francis Brook all shared an address. Almost as if they were different arms of the same operation.



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 08:55:57 PM EST
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TPM: Zachary Roth's first installment on Randy Scheunemann.  

Over the weekend, The New York Times noted that some of John McCain's foreign policy advisers from the "realist" camp are uneasy with the amount of influence enjoyed by neoconservatives like Randy Scheunemann, who's been serving as McCain's chief foreign policy aide and spokesman.

Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI)

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, a new non-governmental organization, has been formed to advocate freedom and democracy in Iraq. A distinguished group of Americans who share a common view on the importance of liberating Iraq and building pluralistic institutions will serve on the Committee's Advisory Board. The Committee will meet with Dr. Condoleezza Rice, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, at the White House later today to discuss Iraq policy.

Chaired by former Secretary of State George Shultz, Advisory Board members represent a diverse, bi-partisan coalition including former Senator Bob Kerrey, Teamsters President James Hoffa, Jr., retired General and former "Drug Czar" Barry McCaffrey and noted Middle East expert Dr. Bernard Lewis of Princeton University (complete list attached). The Committee was formed to promote regional peace, political freedom and international security through replacement of the Saddam Hussein regime with a democratic government that respects the rights of the Iraqi people and ceases to threaten the community of nations.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 02:41:34 AM EST
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of course it's low. right off the top= remember, add 80 billion for latest Iraq supplemental. Then go from there.
 
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 09:32:48 PM EST
If McCain the Insane follows Bush to the White House, it would be like Herbert Hoover succeeding Calvin Coolidge.  Depression, here we come.  Then, again, America would be able to realize what a depression feels like and so expand its experiential field.

I guess the republicans just what to teach us what good times are really like. What better way than by contrasting the prosperity that we are familiar with, with the economic sufferings that are just around the corner.  Only this time we have two, maybe three, maybe four wars to worry about.

Somehow, I think no one is ever going to ignore the legacy of GW Bush.

Down the drain with John McCain.

by Daredevil Don on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 09:38:47 PM EST
And time for more of those incentive payments that have been so instrumental in revitalizing our economy.

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon Jul 28th, 2008 at 10:25:25 PM EST
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McCain open to higher payroll tax for Social Security

WASHINGTON - Republican presidential candidate John McCain drew a sharp rebuke from conservatives after he signaled an openness to a higher payroll tax for Social Security, contrary to previous vows not to raise taxes of any kind.

That comment drew a strong response from the Club for Growth, a Washington anti-tax group. McCain's comments, the group said in a letter to the Arizona senator, are "shocking because you have been adamant in your opposition to raising taxes under any circumstances."

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:08:11 AM EST


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