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FISA Thread

by BooMan
Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 03:52:13 PM EST

I'm not going to lie to you and tell you that the FISA bill isn't going to pass. I can't see the Dems mustering more than high-teens to block it, to strip immunity, or to pass any amendments. But that doesn't mean that you won't feel better about it if you call your senators between now and when the vote goes down. You can use this tool to clear your conscience. It's a serious mistake to sit around blaming Barack Obama for this without placing equal blame on the other 99 senators. Take a moment to go on the record. You'll feel better.

FISA Thread | 17 comments (17 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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unfortunately, l think you're right. my correspondence with everyone and their left handed dog...vis-a-vis the senate offices...leads me to the reiterate the conclusion l came to last week, it's a fait accompli...and there's more than enough complicity to go round.

a last, desperate effort has been started by DFA to get reid to pull the fisa bill from the floor. at this point, that appears to be the only hope of stopping it.

you can support this effort by signing on HERE or contacting reid directly:

dc office: 202.224.3542
reno office:    775.686.5750
vegas office:    702.388.5020
web, email:    http://reid.senate.gov/contact/

it ain't over till it's over

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 04:16:13 PM EST

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also, contact your individual senators here.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 04:28:27 PM EST
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it is not wrong to blame the o man. he has drawn the breadth of his populace support by those that passionately believe that not only the chimp but also the congress has failed to protect the people and the Constitution. if that passionate belief is destroyed, so too will be the support.
sure, as you stated in your post, the other 99 senators are equally to blame. however, he is the leader. he sets the tone. he is supposed to show the way.he is the leader. i do blame him.

by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 04:55:25 PM EST

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we now know the vote won't be on Tuesday to accommodate
lawmakers attending the funeral of Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.).

Funny how the living say nice things about the dead who was detested in life.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 05:14:34 PM EST

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Nice things were said about Suharto, Pinochet, and Milton Friedman. All three mass murderers.

Oh, but whatever, it's better to be polite than nasty, no?

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by Isis on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 08:49:24 PM EST
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Nice things were said about Suharto, Pinochet, and Milton Friedman. All three mass murderers.

by Isis on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 08:49:34 PM EST
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Any financial or volunteer support for ANY major party candidate just went out the window for me. As for contacting my senators, I'm from kansas, and while I did tell them how I thought they should vote and why, I don't think it will do much good. Betrayed again, (In best Gomer Pyle voice)Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!

by baracon on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 05:37:48 PM EST

Feinstein already replied to me. (none / 0)

She's thrilled about the new legislation.

by Compound F on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 06:02:00 PM EST

Re: Feinstein already replied to me. (4.00 / 2)

Feinstein is Lieberman lite - an absolutely lost cause.

There IS hope for Barbara Boxer, despite her unconscionable support for Biden's bill to split Iraq up in direct contravention of the will of the overwhelming majority of Iraqis.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 08:08:56 PM EST
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Re: Feinstein already replied to me. (none / 0)

Boxer simply didn't show for the first FISA vote, and I don't believe she ever offered so much as an excuse.

Feinstein's fine with trashing the 4A altogether.

Called 'em both anyway.

by GhostDog (Joe's Dog - no apostrophe, no space - at G mail) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:06:35 PM EST
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I called Boxer's SF office and expressed my strong opposition to retroactive immunity. Boxer's staffer said, "Senator Boxer shares your sentiments on this."

Feinstein's web contact form is at http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe

by leftcoasttalker2 on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 06:23:07 PM EST

I won't feel beeter and I won't do it (none / 0)

My Senator in question is Dianne Feinstein. She is notoriously stupid and obtuse, and I will not attempt to contact her. It's degrading and utterly futile.

I've warned our bloggers may times to pick their fights, but they never goddamn do, always it's contact your reps!

Yeah well y'all burned my ass out a long time ago, I got tired of being ignored, humiliated and losing.

I suppose the cause should make anyone spring into action. In a way, though, it makes it worse, our own leadership has its head up its ass.

[shakes head] It's a total disaster with no redeeeming qualities. Way to go Democrats, how you came through for us again.

Al Gore won!

by paradox on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 06:41:13 PM EST

Re: I won't feel beeter and I won't do it (none / 0)

If you could pick Feinstein's replacement, who would you choose?

by BooMan on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 06:58:50 PM EST
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Donna Frye, San Diego City Councilwoman. But she couldn't get elected for Senate because it would take too much money. And she's not the type to kiss up to big donors or big business. But, she's the real thing.

by Heart of the Rockies on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 08:21:12 PM EST
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just listened to maddow show. a discussion between the sub host and howard dean. dean is not a happy camper regarding the o mans' position re FISA. Also points out that the actual bill is disgraceful in its writing. what the host suggested is that the o man will, if elected in november, immediately order his ag to investigate any illegal acts comitted by any of the chimps legion of liars.
guess what- too late. simply too late.
if the o man can't stand up in the senate and back feingold and dodd, he will be headed for the crap heap in nov. he will lose a major portion of his base.

by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 08:37:02 PM EST

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I don't think he'll lose much of his base. If this race gets close, which I don't think it will, those pissed progressives will probably not vote for Bob Barr or Cynthia McKinney, they'll pull for Obama. A third Bush term of neocons is just just just just too painful to think about over Obama's centrism.

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by Isis on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 08:53:08 PM EST
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speak for yourself.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:49:41 PM EST
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