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Understanding a Collapse

by BooMan
Mon Jul 7th, 2008 at 11:56:22 PM EST

When we had the first cloture vote on FISA on June 25th, neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton voted. It didn't really matter much. Obama was in Chicago and the vote was 80-15 to proceed to debate on the bill, so Clinton's vote would have been nothing more than symbolic. Clinton had nothing to gain from voting. If she voted 'yes' she would have angered progressives and civil libertarians, and if she had voted 'no' she would have driven a bigger wedge between Obama and those constituent groups. And there is no reason to believe that even a unified Obama-Clinton front against the bill could have moved the numbers from 17 to the needed forty-one. Here are the Democratic senators that voted against opening debate on the FISA Bill:

Biden (D-DE)- Chairman of Foreign Relations
Boxer (D-CA)- Chairwoman of Environment & Public Works
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)- Chairman of Banking, Member of the Judiciary Committee
Durbin (D-IL)- Majority Whip, Member of the Judiciary Committee
Feingold (D-WI)- Member of the Intelligence Committee, Member of the Judiciary Committee
Harkin (D-IA)- Chairman of Agriculture
Kerry (D-MA)- Chairman of Small Business
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)- Chairman of Judiciary
Menendez (D-NJ)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)- Dem. Conference Vice Chair, DSCC Chair, Member of the Judiciary Committee
Wyden (D-OR)- Member of the Intelligence Committee

As you can see, there are some heavyweights here, and we can include Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor & Pensions Committee, Teddy Kennedy, to the list. He only missed the vote for health reasons. But in spite of the support of five chairpersons and a few members of the leadership, the larger contingent was in favor of debating the FISA Bill. Most damaging to our cause, the following Democratic members of the Intelligence Committee voted in favor of cloture.

Chairman John D. Rockefeller (DEM-WV)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (DEM-CA)
Sen. Evan Bayh (DEM-IN)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (DEM-MD)
Sen. Bill Nelson (DEM-FL)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse

This is the signal that we will not be prevailing on the FISA Bill. It's also a lesson on how important it is that the Intelligence Committee not be staffed with reactionaries. I ordinarily think of Mikulski and Whitehouse as good senators, but the rest of this list is strictly garbage in/garbage out. Of course, the National Security Agency, which has over 35,000 employees, is located in Mikulski's state, and that may explain a lot of her motivation.

The bill is too divisive and controversial to be debated with clear heads in the midst of a presidential election. It should not have been brought up. But here we are. And the majority of the Democrats on the Intelligence Committee are in favor of the bill which makes it doubly or triply painful for rank and file members to oppose it. We can debate why the leadership made this decision to inflict maximum pressure on their own caucus and drive a wedge between the base of the party and itself, but they made the decision and we are all, on all sides, going to have to live with it.

There will be amendments to the bill. They will be debated tomorrow, but none of them will pass. All eyes will be on Obama (and to a lesser extent, Clinton) but that's not really fair. The outcome of this vote was decided when the House of Representatives pulled a complete capitulation. Obama will vote for all the good amendments but they will all fail...some miserably. And then there will a second cloture vote to close debate and proceed to a vote on final passage of the bill. Obama has promised to filibuster any version of FISA that includes retroactive immunity. This will be the point at which he can either keep or renege on that promise. But it won't matter in the slightest how he actually votes. The opening cloture vote had 80 votes. We'll be lucky to lower that number to 75 for the closing cloture vote.

Once cloture is achieved, the bill will move to final passage. This will occur on Wednesday to accommodate senators that want to attend the racist Jesse Helms' funeral tomorrow. Obama has promised to vote for this bill on final passage regardless of whether it has amendments attached or not. Do not expect him to reverse course on that promise. And, by all means, hold him accountable for his vote. But don't think that he could have changed the outcome. We never had enough votes to stop this bill in the Senate, but we had them in the House and they vanished.

Examining the real culprits in this wholesale surrender involves discovering how the House capitulation actually occurred. And, remember, all is not lost with this crippling and demoralizing defeat. Tremendous pain has been and will be doled out to some of the responsible parties by an increasingly organized and sophisticated progressive movement. Lessons have been learned and more lessons will be learned shortly.



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I'm sorry. This is utterly heartbreaking and only reinforces the reasons why I quit the Democratic party shortly after the 2006 elections. The Bill of Rights is not a politically expedient idea, it's the ultimate restraint against tyranny in the United States. The Bill of Rights is not politically negotiable for expediency's sake, especially during election season.
by jack fate on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 01:13:52 AM EST
I personally have never experienced anything like this in a few decades of politics. I have gone from hope and being 'fired up' to total cynicism about our political system. It has been a kick in the gut that I doubt I will ever get over. Before I would have given you a lecture about staying involved, Jack. But now I am with you. How can they be messing with our Bill of Rights and not expect a shit-storm? The outrage will be overwhelming.

Oh...... never mind.

When the people don't care about the Constitution, it is over.

by charlesf on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 01:40:49 AM EST
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In the last 6 years, I have been giving to ActBlue and have had some success.  Now, I am not Warren Buffett or any big roller.  I give my $25 or $50 and sometimes the candidate gets elected.

Adam Schiff in 2002, took out Jim Rogan (manager) - voted YES on FISA

Melissa Bean - YES on FISA

Pat Murphy - YES on FISA

Heath Schuler - YES on FISA

Joe Sestak - YES on FISA

Mark Udall - YES on FISA

So, I am very mixed on ActBlue at this point.  I know that it functions to collect money, and that is a good thing.  But there must be some mechanism for fidelity to the ideals of the Democratic Party.  I am getting very annoyed about my money gaining me nothing in terms of difference from the Republican Party.

I have said, over and over, that on the big votes, the Democrats would vote Democratic.  Now, I seem to be wrong.

It's very annoying.

by dataguy on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 02:38:54 AM EST
We've been played for suckers? What are we left with, Greenwald and Feingold? When real patriots are lonely voices, and our government is overwhelmed with corporate corruption, and the citizenry is apathetic or malinformed on a Pravdian scale, what can we do?
by charlesf on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 03:11:17 AM EST
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keep plugging away.
by BooMan on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:47:07 AM EST
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Act Blue is nothing more than a PayPal device for democratic candidates. It does not vet candidates.  For that we have either Blue America through FDL, Digby, C&L or what Kos and some others had.

Melissa Bean was ALWAYS a turkey DINO as was Schuler. Sestak and Murphy are BIG disappointments and at least Sestak was taken off the Blue America list a long time ago.

Blue America has been an attempt to carefully vet candidates before supporting them. Howie Klein from Down With Tyranny has been the scout and for the most part does very well for us. He was lied to by Chris Carney and we've done a campaign to raise money and mount ads in his district calling him the scum he is. More will be coming.

We're learning. It takes time. And we need to teach the politicos that we will hold them accountable. We're just beginning to learn how to do that too.

by RevDeb on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 09:20:20 AM EST
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Get over it dumbfucks.  Bush is gone and we have to take back the White House and big majorities of the House and Senate.

Americans care about their jobs, the economy and health care.

Would you quit wasting your time.  

Yeah, let's all vote for Nader.

What a bunch of assholes this once great site has become.

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain

by skeeters2525 on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:07:21 AM EST
Dude. Who are you talking to?  Me?  The readers?  
by BooMan on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:16:24 AM EST
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I do see a lot of people trying to work their way thru this great disappointment.  I'm voting Dem.  Am I making contributions?  Still trying to work to that.
by dataguy on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 09:06:34 AM EST
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But I still don't feel that I understand it.

The Democrats sold out the Progressives (again).  I assume they are getting something for it, and I'm assuming it's corporate donations.  Fine.  But I can't see how it helps them win an election to make Nader's case for him.

No way I'm voting for any Democrat this year.

by JLG on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:36:53 AM EST
Well, first of all, most House Dems voted against this, while every House GOP member voted for it.

Surely you can support one of the 129 House Dems that voted against it, even if you can't support any of the 105 House Dems that voted for it.

In the Senate, there will be no good votes from the GOP, but roughly 40% of the Dems will get it right.

Regardless, it's a mistake to think this is strictly about contributions.  That is a very small part of this equation.  It's about complicity among some Dems in the leadership and on the intelligence committees, it's about Dems that are afraid to be pegged as weak on security, it's about some Dems that actually think like Republicans.  So, it should be possible to look at each politician and judge them independently or their party and decide whether they are fit to represent you, and if their opponents are fit to represent you.  

by BooMan on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:48:05 AM EST
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I wish they had passed out brochures when we signed up as progressives, warning us that we were committing ourselves to a life of undending frustration, interrupted by the occasional incremental victory.
by eagleye on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:48:20 AM EST
That would have been nice.

Imagine the White House with 60 senate seats and 260 House seats.  Margins last seen in 1965-66, when LBJ passed the Voting Rights Act and the Great Society.  Keep pushing and you may be a lot less frustrated.  However, frustration is the lot of a progressive.  

by BooMan on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 12:55:37 AM EST
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Yes, that's when I first starting reading newspapers and watching TV. With the Civil Rights movement and its success, I had such great hopes for America.

My political life ever since has been such a disappointment. Yet I still keep hope alive.

How do younger people hang in there, with no memory of actual success at anything political?

by Joyful Alternative on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:32:50 AM EST
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Boo,

I think the challenge of being a progressive is to keep our energy and enthusiasm up while burdened with the knowledge that we'll always be dissatisfied with the state of things.  I'm working on it...

by eagleye on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 01:07:44 AM EST
how many of the traitors are recievig "progressive" blog support?
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 08:23:41 AM EST
and inform those who voted YES and to whom you have made contributions that they will see no more of your money.

I have already informed those that I previously contributed to.

by dataguy on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 09:08:04 AM EST
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Let's elect Republicans.  Go John McCain.  

Patriotism and religion, like whiskey, is best used in moderation. Mark Twain
by skeeters2525 on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 04:55:34 PM EST
you really need to work on your act schkeeter...it sucks.

lTMF'sA...the revolution will not be televised...Peace
by dada on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 05:03:52 PM EST
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