you missed a great pun there, boo:

"say buh-bayh to bayh"

i'm glad you asked

Whoever Obama picks, I'm expecting a disappointing choice.  I'm hoping he'll surprise us with a brilliant choice that we hadn't thought of, but I'm not holding my  breath.  Very little of what he has done since winning the primary indicates that he is going to try to win the election in an affirmative way.  Looks to me like his team has decided to back into the White House defensively by 'moving to the center' at every opportunity.  The problem with this strategy is that the Republicans and the corporate media have been working for 30 years to shift the center dramatically to the right.  Wish I could be more optimistic....

"We did not put in all that work in order to see the former DLC chairman put next in line for the presidency."

Yeah well he fucked you (us all really) on FISA, so don't  be surprised.

There's a reason the party logo is a jackass....

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

...and what happens if he DOES pick Bayh?
Are you really going to stop supporting Obama?

I think it's time to face some unfortunate facts about Barack Obama. My feeling is his campaign gamed the netroots pretty badly. Kinda like Chris Carney, Jerry McInerny and the rest of the Democratic Establishment.

He likes the netrootsy money and free media, but doesn't really feel the same way about the issues we support.

Just a gut feeling.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

the plugged in  Steve Clemons also is hearing independently that at the Obama retreat Bayh is than 50/50:

Clemons reason for voting against the Bayh VP idea:

1. Why Bayh Should Not Be VP -- In contrast to his indefatigable, passionate, and legislatively masterful father, Evan Bayh's approach to policy and politics comes off as flat and squeezes the air, sizzle, and enthusiasm out of the Obama balloon -- a balloon that has already been deflating somewhat as Michael Tomasky conveyed in the Washington Post this last Sunday.

suggest a reading the Tomasky article

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

I left this comment for the Obama Campaign:

Evan Bayh is a poor choice for Vice President. There are many more charismatic, populist, and politically progressive or centered choices out there for Mr. Obama. Bayh is much too much to the Right of the Democratic Party, because he is the ex-chair of the Democratic Leadership Counsel. I'm very suspect of his motives in influencing in the Executive Branch. Mr. Cheney has acquired immense power, and become the defacto president under Mr. Bush, and I don't want to see Mr. Bayh with similar power as Mr. Cheney.

We are voting for Mr. Obama to RID ourselves of the Bush/Cheney executive motif, and return power to the people, not to endure another 4 years of executive power gone wild and personal.

Share. Share resources, share delight, share burdens, share the healing. Sharing will bring us back from mass suicide. www.share-international.org

And I'd really prefer it not to be the case that Team Obama is more interested in appeasing Al From and Cokie Roberts than they are concerned with enraging their base of support online.

Seriously?  Do you really think they care that much about enraging their online support?

There are many of us that were in the long fight to win the nomination with Obama who made that commitment out of a desperate desire to see the DLC sidelined and a new generation of post-Bush thinking Democrats put in charge of the party.

I still find it highly amusing that the left blogosphere decided that the way to "stick it to the DLC" was to throw their heart and souls (and wallets) behind a slightly left-leaning pragmatic centrist preaching the message of bi-partisanship.  It's kind of like trying to punish the cattle industry by boycotting McDonald's and going to Burger King instead.  It still makes me chuckle when I think about it.

It would be hard to fuck up Barack Obama's brand any worse than picking John McCain's honorary co-chairman of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

From a campaign perspective, this is why I'm expecting them to pass Bayh up.  Unless they really think that his anti-Iraq War stance is a big loser to the general public and he's going to back away from it for the general.  In which case - why the fuck did he bother running at all?  It was the only piece of his campaign that was significantly different enough from Clinton's to make picking between the two of them involve more effort than flipping a goddamn coin.

I'm still expecting him to take "foreign policy instincts" as his STRENGTH and to go with someone with administrative experience as his VP.  That's the kind of political jujitsu he should be undertaking.  One of the handful of governors on his short list.  I'm still hoping that he ends up picking Sebelius, because she's the least of all evils among the names I've seen floating around so far.

In reading some archived threads at another group of mine, Bayh was thought to have some cachet as one of Hillary's people. He supported her in the primaries, so thus would be "acceptable" to Hillary backers.

Of course, this was before those PUMA morons took over that freakshow, so now it's anyone's guess.

I don't like Bayh, or Tim Kaine, but as I said before, the media will nitpick Obama's selection to death anyway.


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What about Carl Levin?? Strong on foreign affairs, "moderate enough" for the DLC types but I do not perceive him as being in their corner. Is he too old? What do you all think?

We need to push for Progressive change, now more than ever.

Ugh, not Bayh.  Boxer for Veep, a true progressive.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

I wrote a strong letter decrying the DLC effect of destroying our Democratic Party values over the last decade.  
Thanks for the link.

syolles

If he does pick Bayh, wouldn't that mean, in effect, that the entire battle between Obama and the Clintons would have turned out to be a power struggle over who is to be the future standard-bearer of the DLC?
   Considering the tremendous GOTV effort of the Obama campaign, the 50-state strategy, the theme of change, the hindsight of the last 16 years -- that is not only disappointing -- it's absolutely, pathetically ridiculous.  
   I'll believe it when it happens, but right now, it just doesn't make sense to me.
   What this really is, is Bill Clinton's latest Hail Mary pass, and I don't think it's going to work out any better for him than the others did.
   I'm sympathetic to all the pessimism going around the blogs -- what I mean is, I can understand it. But folks, what you gotta understand is that most of this is just the usual, rather effective, "perception management" emanating from all supporters of the status quo. It's the usual quadrennial snow job, that to any objective observer, merits nothing but derision. Most Americans know the status quo is a complete and utter disaster. It's not a matter of argument, it's part of their daily lives. The reason we doubt they know this is only because the Republican/DLC noise machine is doing its job.

    On the issues, let's look at the worst parts of Bayh's voting history (h/t NeuvoLiberal}:

          1. Bayh co-sponsored Lieberman's Iraq war resolution, as did McCain. All three of them voted for the war.

          2. Bayh is the main sponsor/author of the Iran resolution S.Res. 580 which  Lieberman and McCain are co-sponsoring. The house version of this bill, H.Con.Res. 362, calls for a (naval and other) blockade of Iran, an act of war.

          3. Bayh voted for the FISA amendments/immunity bill, as did Lieberman. McCain would've voted for it had he not skipped the vote; he voted for an earlier version of the bill which contained retroactive immunity.

          4. Bayh and McCain voted for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment (McCain was a co-sponsor).

          5. Bayh, McCain and Lieberman voted for cluster bombing civilians and refugees (by voting against a bill proposed to ban cluster bombing.)

          6. All three of them voted for Patriot Act Reauthorization in 2006.

          7. He was the chairman of the DLC during 2001-2005 (coinciding with the worst Republican-lite behavior by the Democratic party, including many of them voting for the war.) Lieberman preceded him as the DLC chair.

          8. He even voted for building a fence along the Mexican border.

          9. Sen. Bayh also supports extending the death penalty.

         10. Bayh also foolishly entertains the notion of creating private Social Security accountts.

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Banned but hopefully not forgotten.