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Veep Stakes

by BooMan
Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 01:44:15 PM EST

Patrick Healy of the New York Times opens with:

No power brokers in the Democratic Party are openly campaigning for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as their vice-presidential nominee this year, and even Mrs. Clinton’s closest aides have stopped talking her up. Yet privately, some Democrats continue to see her as exactly the partner that Senator Barack Obama needs.

So he's going to write a whole column about it. I've said it before, but Michelle Obama has already exercised veto-power over the selection of Hillary Clinton and the Obama campaign enshrined that decision into iron-clad law by hiring Patti Solis Doyle to head up the Veep-pick's staff. Doyle was fired from the Clinton campaign and as far as I know they are not on speaking terms. But that's no reason not to write piece after piece after piece about how 'some Democrats' really want Clinton to be on the ticket.

It looks like a toss-up right now between Biden and Kaine. Given that choice, I have a slight preference for Kaine. I've always liked Joe Biden, but he's too risky for me and I don't agree with him on some major foreign policy issues. Kaine is a better fit for Obama's brand and he'll help in Virginia, which could be a decisive state. I'm not thrilled with Kaine, either, but I prefer him to Bayh. I still am holding out hope for Jack Reed or Kathleen Sebelius. I'd be psyched about either one of them. Kaine and Biden would be just okay. Bayh would annoy the crap out of me. But maybe there will be a big surprise.



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McCain is basically a one note candidate, the monotonous song of his captivity in Nam. I read a post on another blog that rang true. It said McCain's candidacy amounted to "You owe me this", implicitly for his war experiences. How to counter that? No one wants to touch the third rail of this election and it's not Social Security. It's grabbing McCain by the collar and saying "OK, we get it, now can we move on to the issues!?" Who could get away with that and not be crucified for doing it? Another military man, another soldier just as heroic, someone who suffered if not as much at least grievously wounded. I'm not sure what kind of VP or President Wesley Clark would make but his STFU factor vis-a-vis McCain's constant POW harangue would be welcome and entertaining.
by steve duncan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:02:48 PM EST
Wes is really not trusted by the Obama camp.  
by BooMan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:12:02 PM EST
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Possibly, but VP picks aren't historically a matter of trust or friendship. Kennedy wasn't particularly enamored of LBJ. What connection of any sort was there between Bush The Elder and Quayle L'enfant? Strategy, demographics, electoral appeal and finally "Will he/she help us win?" rule most picks. Obama tells everyone to get over it or get off the bus.
by steve duncan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:39:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
reagan didn't like Bush senior either.
nor did Ike like Nixon very much.


John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:08:58 PM EST
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Kennedy wasn't particularly enamored of LBJ, true; but it wasn't a very happy match either -- and I think that's the point. The fact is, Kennedy was pretty much forced into picking Johnson. I hope that's not the sort of situation Obama is facing.
by priscianus jr on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:39:21 PM EST
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Jim Webb

I know all the counter arguments, but Webb could go toe toe with McCain and shred every argument he's got.

9/11 happened on the Republicans' watch.

by budr (budr at hughes net) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:33:34 PM EST
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True that Webb would be great against McCain, but Webb has stated repeatedly that he really, really, truly, has no interest in running for VP -- and I think that's been fully accepted. (If Obama ever had any real interest in him in the first place.)
by priscianus jr on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:46:05 PM EST
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Yeah.  I was just answering Steve's question.

Who could get away with that and not be crucified for doing it? Another military man, another soldier just as heroic, someone who suffered if not as much at least grievously wounded.

Webb is that person.  He came home from Nam with a chest full of decorations and a shattered knee.  His record as a Marine before, during, and after Vietnam is stellar.  Aside from his extended stay in the Hanoi Hilton and a famous Navy name, McCain has absolutely nothing in comparison.  Webb the real deal can look McCain the phony in the eye and say "STFU John."

As for his VP prospects, I think they're as good as anyone else I've heard seriously mentioned.  And nearly everyone who's been asked about it has also made the customary not interested statement.  Five bucks says if Obama asked him, Webb would accept.  Whether that's a good or a bad thing, each of us can make up our own minds.

9/11 happened on the Republicans' watch.

by budr (budr at hughes net) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:33:44 AM EST
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Limbaugh on McCain:

"If he picks a pro-choice running mate, it's not going to be pretty.... If the McCain camp does that, they will have effectively destroyed the Republican party and put the conservative movement in the bleachers."

Nick Lowry:

NR has learned that the McCain campaign has been calling key state GOP officials around the country the last couple of days and sounding them out about the consequences of a pro-choice VP pick. The campaign is asking about the reaction of conservative grass-roots activists to such a pick and whether a pro-choicer can be sold to them. This is an indication that the McCain campaign is serious about the possibility of a pro-choice VP nominee and that McCain leaving the door open to Tom Ridge last week may not have been merely a friendly nod to a longtime supporter. In this scenario, McCain's emphatic pro-life statements Saturday night and his pledge that he'll run a "pro-life administration" would have been partly an attempt to reassure conservatives in the event of a pro-choice pick.
by BooMan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:15:26 PM EST
thought McCain's handlers had confiscated his cell-phone...have curtailed his use to keep him on message. It's reported aides have voiced that McCain has a habit of going with the last opinion he receives, even if it's weird or contra message.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:27:53 PM EST
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Wow. Here's hoping Limbaugh got something right for the first time ever. "they will have effectively destroyed the Republican party and put the conservative movement in the bleachers." So yummy.

Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense." --Former Nixon counsel John Dean
by DaveW on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:36:55 PM EST
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He could be expecting Ridge would bring him Pennsylvania, but all we'd have to do is run ads on Ridge's deregulation of electricity, which is his claim to fame and about to increase rates by 40% or so across the state in 2009 and 2010.
by Joyful Alternative on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 06:00:21 PM EST
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the folks at cnnPolitics think it's going to be biden.

pretty risky if true, but he might be an effective attack dog.

the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 01:59:44 PM EST
well many in media want it to be Biden.  He practically lives in their green-rooms.  Doesn't make it so.
by BooMan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:10:33 PM EST
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They all pushed hard for Hillary, and nothing came of that.

I think it'll be Kaine, myself, and have for the last few weeks. We'll know soon enough, it appears...

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:00:32 PM EST
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poll shows 28% still wants her

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:03:23 PM EST
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I hope that the reason there is so much speculation among the press for Biden is because they love him so -- he's quite their go-to-guy for an off the record comment or Sunday morning bloviation.  He is a smart guy with a quick wit.

Unfortunately, he has some major shortcomings.  His vote for the Iraq War and his history as the Senator from MBNA are well known.  Some of us also remember his Neil Kinnock plagiarism from the 1988 Democratic primary as well as his devastating performance as chair of the Judiciary Committee during the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hearings.  I do not trust that Joe Biden has the character or decision-making skills to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

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by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:51:25 PM EST
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nothing else to do until the official announcement but to "think" and rub the belly.  

Obama's VP Watch, ..according to NYT the decision is made but he has yet to advice his choice

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:11:58 PM EST
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I keep hearing Chet Edwards of Texas from DC insider-types.  Who knows, at this point.  

I thought about signing up for the text message thing, but as there will be an eruption of BREAKING posts all over the web, plus twitters, I don't think there will be much of a problem finding out.

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by Man Eegee (man.eegee at gmail.com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:01:21 PM EST
He'd be an interesting pick.  I know Pelosi loves him.
by BooMan on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:11:11 PM EST
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please not Kathleen Sebilus..
by americanforliberty on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:37:06 PM EST
Why not?

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:00:55 PM EST
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just look at Kansas dems..Dennis Moore Blue dawg Dem.. aka lap dogs for W. Nancy Boyda..conservative Dem. that is what you have with Gov. Sebilius. Just pick that Indiana Senator at least he may help win Indiana there both the same.
by americanforliberty on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 06:15:55 PM EST
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He's a blue dog dem too, though.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 11:03:28 PM EST
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point is Kathleen and Evan our from the same cookie cutter. Kansas is like Indiana two states over.
by americanforliberty on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 12:19:04 PM EST
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That's my prediction:

It's rumored Kaine and Obama will hold an event on Thursday together but nothing is confirmed or set in stone.  Both Kaine and Obama's spokesmen say the schedule is "in flux."

Kaine has one event scheduled for Thursday making the day pretty open for other opportunities.  When asked about his schedule Thursday Kaine said "schedules get written and rewritten all the time" and pointed reporters again to the Obama campaign for further details.

However, when pressed further about his clear schedule Thursday and a possible joint appearance, Kaine said, "You know, we'll see.  We'll see."

Source

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:03:24 PM EST
by Oui on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:29:35 PM EST
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More buzz that Obama has indeed already selected Kaine...
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is set to announce his running mate within the next few days and now The Palmetto Scoop has learned that he may have already settled on Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

A source inside the beltway informed me that high ranking officials throughout Virginia were recently summoned to the governor's office for an emergency meeting which reportedly involved discussions on the line of succession if and when Kaine steps down to become Obama's running mate.

The officials were mandated to leave an out-of-state conference and return to the state capitol in Richmond immediately.

Due to the confidential nature of the meeting, details are scarce but the source said that either Obama will choose Kaine, or Kaine was given the impression that he would be chosen.

We'll see.  Could be as early as tomorrow morning.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:45:54 PM EST
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Wasn't Kaine the one who incurred the wrath of the Obama camp by telling his 500 closest friends that he was being vetted?
by Joyful Alternative on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 11:53:36 PM EST
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Watch this CNN Video of Obama getting flack on the FISA, Iraq flip flop from a supporter in NM.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:07:03 PM EST


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