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Reconcilation!!

by BooMan
Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:04:19 PM EST

Hillary will campaign for Obama in Nevada on Friday and Florida on Monday. They will be some kind of voter registration drives. Whats a PUMA to think?



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It seems to me that Obama is busy turning into Hillary ASAP. Starting around the time of the FISA capitulation my luke-warm fuzzies for him have cooled. I'll vote for him because "we" must win this time. I've got the feeling though that I'll be voting for same old stuff in a new wrapper.

Who is left to represent what we used to call the middle class?
by keepinon (jaukkuri@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 08:38:33 PM EST
I look not at his rhetoric, but at his record. He has a solid record of good legislation to his credit. I think he'll say what he needs to in order to get elected. He won't be as progressive as most of us will want, but I think he'll stand up to the empire builders and say no more. And frankly, short of a revolution, and I'm quite serious re that, we're not going to get anything better.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:38:27 PM EST
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Believe whatever you want, but this country is not liberal.  It is moderate, and somewhat right of center in most years.  THis is a year where the center is in the center.
by dataguy on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 12:27:51 AM EST
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Sadly enough, probably so.

Who is left to represent what we used to call the middle class?
by keepinon (jaukkuri@sbcglobal.net) on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 04:28:35 PM EST
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I'll tell you what one of them thinks.

The real question is why is any name being considered more seriously than Clinton? Why hasn't she been the buzz? She garnered 18 million votes, something no other person in consideration has done. She can unite the party like no one else. The can also go into states like Florida, Arkansas and Ohio, even Michigan and Pennsylvania and make the economic case better than anyone else, including the nominee. So why not Clinton?

There will be no reconciliation until Obama picks Not Hillary as his veep.

There will be no reconciliation after he picks Not Hillary as his veep.

We're still fighting ourselves, rather than McSame.

by Zandar1 on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:46:57 PM EST
They'll love us when we win.  Fuck'em.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 06:15:00 PM EST
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has a piece on HuffPost RIPPING PUMAs and SHREDDING them.

Taylor was THE Hillary dead-ender, too, and now she is totally totally against these PUMA morons.

I did not respect her, but do now.  She has turned the corner.

by dataguy on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 09:07:20 PM EST
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I trust Taylor Marsh as far as I can throw her.
by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:02:27 PM EST
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Go read her HuffPost piece.  Very interesting.
by dataguy on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:30:54 PM EST
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As long as it doesn't require throwing her.
by Bob In Pacifica on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 09:19:51 AM EST
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I didn't respect her before and I don't now either. She's blowing in the direction she thinks will carry her. I don't think she has a moral compass.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:39:18 PM EST
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the primary is over. Taylow is doing excellent work for Obama. Would it kill you to say thank you?
by AliceDem on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 12:43:18 AM EST
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Thank you? Obama is blowing off support left and right as if he has this thing in the bag. Looks like the apples don't fall far from the tree.

"I don't see the Green Party as an alternative; I see it as an imperative." Rosa Clemente, Green Party Vice Presidential Nominee
by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 01:18:42 AM EST
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Huh?

I'll send out my thank yous to all my journalistic friends at Christmas.

by Bob In Pacifica on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 09:21:35 AM EST
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Obama's blowing too, per your comment upthread about saying whatever he needs to say. Making this comment a bit hypocritical, no?

"I don't see the Green Party as an alternative; I see it as an imperative." Rosa Clemente, Green Party Vice Presidential Nominee
by supersoling (colorsplash62@optonline.net) on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 01:14:42 AM EST
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The difference is, I believe he's doing that to help others. I believe Taylor changes rhetoric to help herself.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 10:57:58 AM EST
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Heh.

I never think a pol is doing anything to help anyone but themselves.

The trick is to put them into a position where the best way to help themselves IS to help others.

I've found that I'm almost never disappointed in politicians if I trust their self-promotion and personal advancement instincts to come before their moral centers.  In fact, I've found it best to just assume that they have no moral centers and are only kept in check by the fact that they have to answer to voters eventually.

Sure it's cynical.  But it's pretty much how representative democracy works.

by nonynony on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 01:55:43 PM EST
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Obama leads McCain nationally in AP-Ipsos poll

WASHINGTON - Solid margins among women, minorities and young voters have powered Barack Obama to a 6 percentage point lead over John McCain in the presidential race, according to a poll released Tuesday.

as McCain ad pushes independence, distance from Bush

"Washington's broken. John McCain knows it," says the commercial, which is implicitly critical of both President Bush and Barack Obama.

It is unusual for a presidential candidate to part company with an administration of the same party, but McCain has little choice, with public opinion polls showing the public is eager for change after eight years of the Bush administration."


Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 06:09:38 PM EST
Yeah, good luck selling that one, Johnnykins.

Really, the truth is that these poll movements are probably just statistical noise.  Numbers can be artificially inflated with a wave of positive news -- the Berlin speech, for example -- but, as Alan Abramowitz noted, have remained fairly stable when you take the longer view.

Ultimately the distractions can only do so much for McCain.  The election is going to come down to issues.  "Are you better off now than you were four (eight) years ago?"  Obama's done what he needed to do on Iraq.  People can envision him as C-in-C.  Thats all he had to do.  The economy's the issue.  If Obama can continue winning by these big margins on the economy, he wins.

People freak out over polls too much.  If it were October, and if he were down, I'd freak out.  But it's still only August, and the Olympics are coming.  We're fine.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 06:13:59 PM EST
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How do we know the polls are honest?

I ask that in all seriousness. There was a scandal in Nixon's time when it turned out the polling org that most favored Nixon were literally making up the figures....

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:34:36 PM EST
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Depends on the poll I guess.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 09:55:08 PM EST
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discovered?  and what organizations publicized it?  because now, it seems the corporate-owned media IS the polling group, and publicizes... nothing that counters their facade.
by martini on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 03:53:47 PM EST
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Hillary needs her debt paid off by the Democratic Convention..otw she is stuck with 20 million. So its really a 2 way street, she brings the party together. More people ante up to help her with her debt, like me, isn't it nice to see Hillary out campaigning for Obama. And Bill saying on TV he's not a a racist.
by americanforliberty on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:00:41 PM EST
BooMan is ahead of everyone..we kinda read it here first.

The well connected Steve Clemons says

{.] rumors are flying that tomorrow in Indiana, Barack Obama is going to name Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) as his running mate.

Bayh denies it -- and says that he doesn't think anything special is being cooked up tomorrow.

This all could be a head fake -- or a couple of head fakes. I'm still holding out for some of the other options -- or I'd even be up for naming Birch Bayh, Evan's legislatively successful father. Tom Daschle, Joe Biden, Tim Kaine would all be strong players.

But when I learned that ObamaBayh08.com is now directed to the Democratic Party website, this is pretty good circumstantial evidence that the Bayh fix is in -- whether the surprise gets popped tomorrow or not. Bil Browning first turned me on to the website acquisition by the DNC. (see update below)

[.]I can think of a lot of reasons why a Bayh choice is problematic. To some degree, it's the Dan Quayle play. Evan Bayh is not charismatic. He's hyper-controlled. When I've been with him in meetings or heard speeches by him, I don't get the sizzle that just emanates from his father who I have had some incredible encounters with over the last year. Birch Bayh is someone every American should know much more about. He's a true national hero for his work on gender rights, Title VI, and other legislative successes.

Seriously though, the biggest plus is that he would have been Hillary Clinton's choice -- and if Obama is not going to run with Hillary, then picking Bayh is the next best thing at offering an olive branch to the Clintonistas. Bayh is from a midwest state -- and may help with red state independents and white working class Dems who are still skiddish about Obama.

{UPDATE}

Bye-Bye Bayh?

Some top sources tell me that they buy Bahy's denial. One high source tells me not to count the pro-life Virginia Governor Tim Kaine out. Another says Biden is still kicking. . .and two others tell me that there are two dark horses, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle and Rhode Island Senator Jack Reed.



Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"
by idredit on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:43:51 PM EST
l have to hope this is nothing more than a feint. bayh brings too much baggage to the message/ticket, especially regarding the war...as jane put it at fdl:

Aside from the fact that Bayh accepts the Republican/Lieberman premise that the war is "winnable," he's in a pretty poor position to make the argument that John McCain, Joe Lieberman and George Bush were wrong on the war because he was too. As Teddy noted yesterday, Bayh not only supported the war, he was an honorary co-chairman (with Lieberman and McCain) of the Committee to Liberate Iraq,  a group whose non-Senatorial members included Bill Kristol and James Woolsey.

Talk about ceding the high road.


bolding mine

that's more than enough reason to reject what would be a very bad choice.

the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 08:00:11 PM EST
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Not Bayh, please. I just ate dinner.
by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:04:11 PM EST
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PUMAs don't think.  They SNARL.
by dataguy on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 08:22:19 PM EST
What's a PUMA?

Who is left to represent what we used to call the middle class?
by keepinon (jaukkuri@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 08:45:59 PM EST
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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 09:58:49 PM EST
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PUMA&defid=3168312


"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:06:43 PM EST
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"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:08:37 PM EST
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Thanks for filling me in. No, it's not pretty.

Who is left to represent what we used to call the middle class?
by keepinon (jaukkuri@sbcglobal.net) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:05:44 PM EST
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And and all the Puma girls sing..
Buffalo Chip girls want ya come out tonight
come out tonight, come out tonight
Buffalo Chip girls want ya come out tonight
and dance by the Puma girl's moon.
by fahey on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 09:02:19 PM EST
And the word ""cougar" as popularly applied in American pseudo-culture to a particular sort of predatorily sexual widowed/divorced 40+ year-old middle class white female is a sexually derogatory term.

The whole group "PUMA" might as well be a dirty joke, the dirty joke that was also used to some degree to brand Hillary Clinton during the campaign. (Queen of the dry fuck brigade, etc.)

I often wonder whether the whole concept is some nasty dirty tricks effort by anti-Clinton forces from the right (Or  the so-called left, if there is even much in the way of difference between them either tactically or strategically these days.), but whether it is or it is not...please do not amplify it with further attention.

Would you do so if there was a supposed pro-Obama group called "Hear Us Now, Government" ?

HUNG?

Please.

This primary/election process has already descended to near-toilet levels.

Flush these motherfuckers and try to bring the dialogue up where it belongs.

Thank you and good night.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 09:33:59 AM EST
Considering that the PUMA founder gave more money to McCain in 2000 than she did to Clinton this year, I think it's a pretty sure thing that PUMA is a "dirty" joke.  McCain is the person who benefits the most from their encouragement.
by CabinGirl on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 10:27:26 AM EST
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