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by BooMan
Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 02:48:39 PM EST

This is really pissing me off. Hugh Hewitt:

This Reuters story caps off 72 hours of shame for the leftosphere and their pals in the MSM who trafficked in wretched rumor about Sarah Palin and her family. This led to the breach in the family's private life, and to an extent that should [sic] appal everyone. The children of candidates and officials should be off limits, even if the nutters declare they are not. I even understood the MSM's reluctance to pursue the Edwards story because of the impact on Edwards' family.

I applaud the Palin for their candor and their decision to be [sic] compleletly transparent with the public, and expect the vast majority of decent Americans of all political stripes will respect their wish to keep the young couple out of the news.

Let me repeat: the rumors that Trig Palin was actually the son of Bristol Palin were started last spring by Republicans in Alaska that don't like Sarah Palin. None of the well-trafficked left-wing bloggers ran with this rumor. It appeared in diaries submitted by users and on lower trafficked blogs that are not usually associated with the blogosphere. We used good judgment and respect in not racing off to push unfounded rumors affecting a 17-year old girl. Andrew Sullivan is not a part of the left-wing blogosphere. He is a reformed Republican.

But more offensive than this false charge that the 'leftosphere and their pals in the MSM' pushed this rumor is the idea that 'decent Americans of all political stripes [should] respect their wish to keep the young couple out of the news.' It is the Palins that decided to put the young couple in the news. And not just the news. This will become a topic of discussion in every country in the world. Everyone will now know that Bristol Palin had underage, out-of-wedlock sex, and became pregnant. They'll know it in Buenos Aires and in Khartoum. They'll know it in Ho Chi Minh City and they'll know it Saskatoon. That's not the fault of the 'leftosphere' or the fault of Andrew Sullivan. It's the Palins fault for accepting the nomination to be vice-president. Bristol Palin is going to have a baby in December or January. Did they think the world wouldn't notice? Apparently so:

That the Palin family — by dint of ugly rumor mongering from “progressive activists” and a compliant left-leaning press that was cynically situating itself to pretend that these rumors “needed investigating” — was all but compelled to release information about their teenage daughter, is precisely the kind of thing that drives real civil libertarians and privacy advocates crazy, especially because the information has nothing whatever to do with Governor Palin’s candidacy, but instead invades the privacy (and quite possibly effects the “choice”) of a minor.

This kind of savage smear campaign by leftists and so-called “feminists” — a campaign that forced a young woman to make public a very private matter in order to stop vicious rumors about the Palin family — suggests that, when it comes to “privacy concerns” (NSA data mining for terrorists = bad; demanding the release of a Governor’s medical records = good; parental notification for abortions performed on women under a certain age = bad; insisting that the world be privy to the private sexual and family concerns of the seventeen-year-old daughter of a conservative = good), “progressives” care about such things only insofar as it protects their political interests and advances their political agenda.

How much more offensive can you get? At what point were the Palins going to reveal that their eldest daughter was with child? Were they planning on shutting her up in a nunnery for the duration of the McCain-Palin presidency? Did they plan on hiding her in the Governor's mansion until the day after the election? This is ridiculous. The rumor was that Bristol Palin had already given birth to a baby, not that she was about to give birth to a baby. There were other ways to debunk the rumor about Trig Palin than revealing that Bristol Palin is pregnant. They weren't forced to divulge this information by the rumors. They chose to wait for the moment that Hurricane Gustav made landfall to divulge this information (and the fact that Todd Palin once had a DUI). And now they want to blame it all on an invasion of privacy?

This is an invasion of stupidity into the body politic. John McCain probably never asked whether Bristol Palin was pregnant because that would be rude. He probably asked, "Is there anything else that you can think of that might embarrass the campaign?" And the Palins probably furrowed their brows and thought very hard and then said, "Nope, nothing we can think of."

But even if they did tell John McCain that their seventeen year-old daughter was pregnant and then decided to wait until Hurricane Gustav made landfall to divulge that information, it still isn't our fault that sheepherders in New Zealand will know all about little Bristol's premarital sex. That's their fault for not protecting their daughter.

Left-wing bloggers deliberately avoided discussing the possibility that Bristol Palin might have been the mother of her brother. And now we are supposed to take the blame for the fact that the world knows that Bristol is pregnant? Last time I checked, I didn't have sex with Bristol Palin, didn't impregnate her, didn't make any decisions that would assure a camel-herder in Timbuktu would know about her pregnancy, and didn't write about it or anything else related to her bodily functions.

John McCain is a jackass and the Mr. and Mrs. Palin are jerks.



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There are a number of "us" perfectly willing to pick up that disgusting banner of "do anything to win" and carry it into battle.

I am frankly embarrassed.

And have never been so relieved NOT to be a member of Daily Kos as I am this weekend.

If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution

by Maryscott OConnor (myleftwing@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:20:35 PM EST
didn't McCain once make Chelsea Clinton fair game or is this post wrong??

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

the more correct thing would've been to put your family before ambition and power..something Sara Palin is not willing too do.

by americanforliberty on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:25:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Makes it okay for US to be hypocrites?

If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution
by Maryscott OConnor (myleftwing@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:00:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In this context I don't think we are involved in hypocrisy. Because Palin is a Family Values VP for the right wing. And she must have known or should have known that her daughter's pregnancy would become public knowledge. So is it hypocritical if, Palin whose family values platform include, abstinence, no sex ed. or condoms and is a member of the Republican Party who believes in just say no and has a family member that contradicts those values. I believe that it is true hypocrisy is to hold a standard and belief to others, when you cannot instill those same values to your immediate family member.

McCain calling Chelsea Clinton ugly a direct attack on a person. Nothing about Sara Palin's daughter is a direct attack, but more of a reflection that Sara Palin cannot instill the Christian values, she claims to hold, into her children. And yet, she would want other's children to meet her--VP Palin's values standard--which she herself fails impress upon her own children.

by americanforliberty on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:16:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
so what?  My parents failed to instill many of their values in me.  Does that mean they're unfit for high office?  

They're hypocritical to ask for privacy.  Under their value system I should have the right to set up a web-cam on their daughter's private parts to ensure she doesn't try to end her pregnancy.  But other than they're call for privacy, which I agree with, they are not being hypocritical.  

by BooMan on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:33:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have to say (having been a teenager and being the parent of 2 of them) that I am reluctant to lay the sole blame for everything teenagers do wrong on the mother.   They try things out while they're learning to be adults, they make mistakes, and you hope that none of their mistakes have serious consequences.  And since they're trying to separate from their parents, they often do things they think their parents wouldn't approve of...

That said, I hope this puts an end to the gushing about how incredible Sarah Palin is on the morning new shows "A mother of 5, one with DS!  And she sill manages to be governor and shoot moose before breakfast!" "So dynamic!"  They're as dysfunctional as any other family in the US.

by CabinGirl on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:38:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think your parent or running for VP on a Christian Values platform. And that is the difference.
by americanforliberty on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 07:27:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We're not being hypocrites... we're calling for the truth to be uncovered.

This lying, scheming, oh-too-righteous fraud is avoiding taking personal responsibility for her own bad behavior and forcing society to cover.

A Down Syndrome child can cost $200,000 a year... for decades.  If the child isn't Sarah Palin's child, the insurance company that provides for government employees is going to have to eat the unnecessary expense.  And if she is elected VP, WE taxpayers will have to eat that expense for the life of the child.  If the child is Bristol's, no insurance company would cover an out-of-wedlock deformed baby... and an uneducated teenager is never going to earn enough to provide the 24 hour a day care.  Isn't that a motive for lying!!!!!  And there is a statement that Bristol is pregnant... again.  Down Syndrome is genetic.  There is a 1/4 chance that the new baby, if there is one, will also be deformed.  Who in hell is going to pay for that little error in judgment?

Does Ms. Palin's activities on the day of Trig's supposed birth reveal a caring, loving, intelligent adult concerned with family values?  Or an ambitious egocentric drama queen who needs to do the keynote speech come hell or broken water?  The entire saga of the airplane ride is unbelievable.  The fact that the hospital has no record of the birth at all is more than interesting.  Apparently her coddled doctor might be willing to fake a birth certificate, but the hospital won't... and scrubbed the doctor from their lists.

Her church calls for reforming gays, as though this can be prayed away, and she tried to fire a librarian who refused to ban books with what she thought was offensive language.  She fired and dismissed people who weren't sufficiently loyal and muzzled everybody else.  (Sounds like Monica Goodling, doesn't she?)  She wants a theocracy where creationism is taught in the schools, and funding goes directly into Christian coffers with all those faith-based initiatives.  She thinks that birth control (the pill) is abortion, so the privacy protections of Griswold would follow Roe into oblivion.

She chaired a 527 for Ted Stevens, one of the most corrupt of the Corrupt Old Farts Club... and there has been no record of how much money was raised or what it was used for.  None.  Zippo accounting.

The stuff being revealed about Troopergate shows fine family values, too.  She looked through the windows (peeping tom!) where her brother-in-law was allegedly arguing and threatening the family, and then drove to her meeting.  WTF!  What is more important... seeing if the 9 kids are ok, calling the police... or giving another speech?

She also wants Alaska to become independent of the United States of America!!!  Check out the A.I.P. and the founder's statements and her own addresses... is this patriotism?

I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." - Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party.

How about the secessionist movement?  Ms Palin pledges allegiance to what country? Alaskadoria (or whatever they will name the new country after the AIP secedes)?  Is this gun fanatic in favor of civil war?  The Basque Separatists are declared terrorists, as are most others who want their own country enough to fight for it.  Will she declare war on anybody or entity who stands between her and the north slope oil?  Or is she so totally ignorant of Kurdistan, Kosovo, Ossetia, and the other bloody hellholes where oil wealth pays for the mercenaries?  Alaskans were already fretting about her desire to move the capitol out of Juneau... if Alaska becomes a sovereign nation, she'll have the opportunity to build a new capitol on top of the oil fields.  Petroliopolis?

If I was a Republican, I'd be getting as far away from this trainwreck as possible, so that the blood and mud surging out of the wilderness didn't besmirch me, but of course Dobson and Norquist have no shame.

In 3 days, the blogging community has uncovered what McCain's vetting crew didn't... and we've just begun.

There are reports that she lied about being Miss Congeniality (the woman who really won that title has stepped up).  There are reports that she hacked into a co-workers computer, contaminating the evidence, as well as all those scrubbed links and vanished pictures and edited Wikipedia entries.  There are reports that her bungled land deal while mayor will cost that poor (67% below poverty) town $20 million.  Because she botched the purchase, she tried to steal the land for an ice rink by using eminent domain.  Isn't THAT going to go over well with all those conservatives who don't like government seizing personal property?

It is like a ratty sweater... pulling on one tangle just releases whole loops and strings of information... and we have indeed just begun.

If SHE didn't flaunt her holiness and try to force it upon others, this wouldn't be nearly as satisfying.

by hauksdottir on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:49:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
and where on the front-page of Daily Kos did anyone post about these rumors?
by BooMan on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:26:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, maybe not the frontpagers, but the rec'd diaries were full of these rumors.
by rae on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:34:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
so...we're supposed to delete diaries now?  

it's a long-held principle that bloggers are not responsible for everything written in the diary sections of their blogs or in the comments.  

by BooMan on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:45:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes. Diaries on Edwards were deleted.

And Kos commented to Kitty that the questions were fair (despite the fact the questions were entirely preposterous--dude--they originated with rightwing bloggers! What more proof do you need that it's unfounded?).

And now you've posted two diaries on the subject.

Please leave this poor girl alone.

by KathyF on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:03:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Understood, but isn't Daily Kos supposed to be a "community"?  If so, then the distinction between the frontpagers and the rec'd diaries seems a pretty fine one.

Anyhow, I totally agree with your main point (as my facetious comment below should indicate).  The republicans have no one to blame for this mess but McCain  (who didn't vet Palin) and Palin (who didn't think about her family or party when she took up McCain's offer).  Well, they're not going to do that, so what do they do?  Look for a scapegoat...those damn liberal bloggers!

Incidentally, I thought Charles Krauthammer's "WTF?!?!" column in response to this pick was the only honest thing I've seen him write in...well, ever.

by rae on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:08:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You miss the point.  McCain, like any Republican, but especially one running for President, can do no wrong. Anything they do, or have ever done, is, per se, the right and honorable thing to do  At least The Medium Lobster at Fafblog understands.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."
by Steven D on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:11:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Umm...actually, we are in complete agreement.  That's why they need a scapegoat. Please read my comment again.  
by rae on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:13:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I Know.  I was just being snarky.  This whole day is probably the most ridiculous Labor Day in recent memory.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."
by Steven D on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:16:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I agree. This whole Palin thing is like a political car crash...it's hard to look away.
by rae on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:23:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by Maryscott OConnor (myleftwing@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:01:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I know this is late, having been off line most of the day, but I gotta say this.

I've been a long time fan of your for well...forever. But this is one time I don't get the outrage. Or maybe I'm just wrong.

But if this girl was named "Shaniqua" (and trust I've seen Michelle Obama referred to this in this way) I would have heard how immoral she was, how wanton and whorish she was, how fucked up her parents were, how irresponsible they were, that it was a cycle of poor decision-making, that she was doing it for a welfare check...and it goes on.

No, this isn't any of my business, but considering that she and her backward ass knuckle dragging party wants to snoop in MY health care decisions, I don't begin to give a good goddamn. I really don't. I just can't believe she and her husband would drag her family through this. I'm stunned, actually.

A cursory goddamn Google search would have shown that this "rumor" was All. Over. Alaska. No one in their right mind can blame a Kos diary for this non-vetted-Jerry-Springer-train-wreck. No one.

Of course, I'm about at a flatline over her ties to this Alaska First, secessionist bullshit. That ought to disqualify McKept 5 minutes ago.  But I can't cry crocodile tears over the rest of it. I simply can't.

Presumptuous is the new uppity.

by AP on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:59:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by Maryscott OConnor (myleftwing@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:01:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Conservatives: "She would have been a great VP pick, if it wasn't for those meddling kids and their dog!!!"
by rae on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:24:39 PM EST
regarding this:

"Let me be a clear as possible:  I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits," Obama said, "and people's children are especially off limits.

"This shouldn't be part of our politics," he continued, "It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

"And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he said. "You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits."

Asked about the insinuation from the McCain campaign that the liberal bloggers trafficking in rumors about Palin write for websites that mention Obama, the senator said, "I'm offended by that."

The Democratic presidential nominee said, "There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I am as clear as can be - so in case I'm not, let me repeat: We don't go after people's families, we don't get them involved in the politics. It's not appropriate and it's not relevant."

Concluded Obama before getting on his campaign bus headed to Milwaukee, Wisc., "Our people were not involved in any way in this and they will not be. And if I ever thought that it was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired."

Link

"Don't waste your time on the clowns, watch the real show"

by Second Nature on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:08:13 PM EST
Yes, but --

That won't stop the Republicans from attacking Michelle Obama for saying "Whitey!" or digging up dirt on fabricating stories about plagierized schoolwork by his kids, or [insert bullshit story here].

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:14:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

running scared, running desperate and they need a scalp or two and we're it.

via Steve Clemons, Andrew Sullivan helped to end the nasty talk

Catch this logo for McW's Four More Years

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:01:04 PM EST
Hugh Hewitt is pond scum.  No wait it's worse than that:



John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:47:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you think McCain would have vetted his VP better. I still say she was picked for the "Regis & Kathy Lee" effect--to make an old man look younger and vibrant.

I wonder how Rev. Dobson and the Christian Conservative Clan, is going to say abstinence works, when Palin can't teach those values to her own children.

by americanforliberty on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:14:57 PM EST
John McCain is a former POW and you can't criticize him for anything he ever did, is doing or might do.

I thought the media made that clear last week . . .

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:08:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You can't criticize John McSame because he's a former POW.  Any attack on any aspect of his record is null and void because being an America-hating liberal, you're attacking his service to his country.

Just like you can't criticize Sarah Palin because she's a woman, and any attack on her is null and void because you're a misogynist bastard.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 05:39:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Looking at this latest revelation from a purely practical perspective, having an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter is not going to enhance Sarah Palin's credibility in the Arab and Muslim worlds, or in any other society with genuinely conservative real family values.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:25:48 PM EST
Obviously not, although that's not a point in the Muslim world's favor.  I'm not sure Bristol Palin would even survive in many Islamic countries.  I try to be respectful of all cultures but I have a big problem with how unmarried women who get pregnant are treated within Islam.  I think it is deplorable and am not apologetic about stating that fact.  
by BooMan on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:29:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
To be fair, unmarried pregnant women have never been treated well in any country where that "old time religion" dominates the culture.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."
by Steven D on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:04:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
True, and in addition to that, few "Muslim" countries are exclusively Muslim, and in any case family matters such as this are matters for the family to deal with, not Islamic authorities.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:19:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"that's not a point in the Muslim world's favor."

That's not the point at all. The point is how this country's government is viewed abroad.

As for how women are treated in Muslim countries whether they are unmarried and pregnant or not, that  varies widely and depends more on the family than anything else, just as it does in most societies, including the United States. Of course you hear about the sensational and disturbing stories, but you never hear about the incidents that are handled quietly and kept inside family, do you? So, unless you have lived inside a society, I would suggest you refrain from making assumptions about it based on what you hear and read in material intended for western audiences.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Given that GOP High Priest Karl Rove orchesrated the lie that McCain had fathered a love child with a black woman in South Carolina back in 2000 during the Republican primaries, the wingnuts are in no position to accuse us lefties of acting in bad taste.
by eagleye on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:42:24 PM EST
Try not to get pissed because liars lie and cheaters cheat.  This is their game, but the truth will out.

So save your anger for when the thieves steal the election.  We'll need all that energy that is dissipating over nothing  now.

by Alice on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:46:44 PM EST
to speak of her "family" history. i'm so sorry that this is even a debatable question in the librul blogosphere.

stick to the relelvant issues. she's pro-oil, anti-environment, anti-choice, anti-feminist, a hypocrite, and more or less a nobody with no international experience.

speaking of her, or her family's sex life: only lets rethugs once again, "frame the issue."

palin: what's her economic plan? palin: what has she accomplished in terms of jobs, feminist progress, integration, gay rights, what understanding does she have (as she should) of today's crisis with russia? i can keep going.

the kids/grandkids/beauty queen crap = playing into their hands, where we will lose.

by chicago dyke (anheduanna at yahoo.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:00:41 PM EST
But aren't those on the left repsonsible for all the world's ills?

Fear will keep the local systems in line. -Grand Moff Tarkin -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 06:02:51 PM EST
On my blog I deliberately stayed away from the first Palin baby story (that the 5th child was a cover for the daughter's baby).

That said, the Palin's take the view that there should be nothning done to restrict pregnancy and bringing a baby to term.  No prevention.  No termination.

The consequences can often be a significant lifetime handicap to both the mother and the child.

by Quiddity (quiddity_q@lycos.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 07:05:07 PM EST


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