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Thomas Eagleton Watch II

by BooMan
Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:23:03 PM EST

I know it won't come as much of a surprise but I'm hearing from anonymous Hill sources (I always wanted to use that kind of weasel sourcing) that the Republicans are getting nervous as all hell about the selection of Sarah Palin as their vice-presidential nominee. It goes without saying that the 'Realist School' on foreign policy isn't remotely amused by this pick. Senators Richard Lugar, Chuck Hagel, George Voinovich, and Secretary Colin Powell, Undersecretary Richard Armitage, Brent Scowcroft, and their ilk were already near their wit's end with John McCain's embrace of neo-conservatism. But this pick is a bridge too far. No one can defend it and it is getting more preposterous to try with each new damaging revelation.

Even Karl Rove acknowledged that she was a risky pick in his talk this morning with the Maine delegation. The soap opera is getting surreal. Sarah Palin's involvement with the secessionist Alaska Independence Party is just the latest punch in the stomach to a reeling Grand Old Party. She is a Buchananite who liked (and maybe voted for) Ron Paul? Now news of her daughter's pregnancy adds new poignancy to her 2006 campaign promise.

"Explicit sex ed programs will not find my support."

Lord have mercy, it's hard out there for a Republican pimp. They're going to have to ditch Sarah Palin. They'll blame her, of course, but the main fault lies with John McCain, who only met her twice before selecting her and who obviously did an inadequate job of vetting her. Picture Sen. Lugar at home with his wife watching this on his teevee:

Hoo-boy. McCain has less than 48 hours to yank this nomination. He better start cracking.

Thomas Eagleton Watch II | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Christ Jesus. (4.00 / 4)

FLATLINE_______________________

Here lies AP. She died of shock that Campbell Brown actually pushed back against the awful spin of Tucker Knows-No-Bounds that insulted my intelligence and that of my fellow citizens, my-two-year old nephew AND his dog.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:13:53 AM EST

Re: Christ Jesus. (none / 0)

yeah, and she's married to Dan Senor, one of the most insulting GOP spinmeisters in the history of the genre.

by BooMan on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:15:24 AM EST
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Re: Christ Jesus. (4.00 / 2)

No kidding. I can only imagine that this was a signal.

Oh, I forgot: Tucker also insulted our 2 cats, the deer family roaming in our backyard, and the ghost of my dead guinea pig.

Can't hear ya, Peach!

by AP on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:30:12 AM EST
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Re: Thomas Eagleton Watch II (4.00 / 2)

mcstain really screwed the pooch with palin, and there wasn't a lot of love for him there before, and her dismissal, in whatever way it's accomplished, is not going to be well received. the fundies' heads are gonna explode IF he/they dump her now. they'll turn on mcstain like a pack of jackals.

who might the next pick be when she "withdraws", assuming the RATs still entertain thoughts of pulling this out?...scary thought II...mike huckabee?

or might we see a real september surprise and a completely new ticket?

pass the popcorn...the next 48 are gonna be very interesting.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:17:17 AM EST

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it would hardly surprise me if she was convinced to "withdraw". BUT

repubs do NOT admit mistakes, ever. and the "realists" you cite don't have much influence.

and, who's Sargent Shriver to her Eagleton? No one with any sense is going to tie himself to McCain's sinking ship. Actually that would be the best case, and typical McCain - dump her without having the replacement lined up, and then publicly flop around for another week.

The Four Horsemen of Bushism: War, Corruption, Hypocrisy and Greed

by esquimaux (esquimaux1 at gmail dot com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:33:10 PM EST

Yep (none / 0)

typical McCain - dump her without having the replacement lined up, and then publicly flop around for another week.

Should be fun.

by ILuvChez17 on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:49:40 AM EST
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Re: Thomas Eagleton Watch II (none / 1)

They are going to stick with Palin and spin it to highwater. No way they will admit a mistake - its not in their DNA.

Hopefully, the piranas pick up on all the nice and juicy threads that Palin has provided and as Billmon in his diary at DKos pointed out turn it into "Shark Bait".

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

by ab initio on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:49:41 AM EST
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(Cindy) McCain's Vetting Process (none / 1)

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Cindy McCain's company hosted the location in vetting Sarah Palin in Arizona.

How McCain decided on Sarah Palin

Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager and the person at the point of the vice presidential process, said there was no abrupt change in the final hours. Nor, he said, was Palin selected without having gone through the full vetting process that was done for other finalists. That process included reviews of financial and other personal data, an FBI background check and considerable discussion among the handful of McCain advisers involved in the deliberations.

"Nobody was vetted less or more than anyone in the final stages, and John had access to all that information and made the decision," Davis said. "It's really not much more complicated than that."

In part to blunt criticism that McCain had pulled a last-minute switch and turned to Palin without all the information he may have needed to make a decision, some of those advisers shared details Saturday, mostly on a not-for-attribution basis.

CINDY MCCAIN PLAYED A KEY ROLE PICKING A VP

Six people were involved in the secretive deliberations that led to Palin's selection: McCain; his wife, Cindy; campaign manager Davis; longtime confidant Mark Salter; senior adviser Steve Schmidt; and key strategist Charlie Black. In addition, Washington lawyer A.B. Culvahouse oversaw the vetting.

Davis had spoken with her a number of times. The McCain camp had reviewed everything they could find on her, including videotapes of her public speeches and interviews. "She makes a great speech," one adviser observed.

Last Sunday night, McCain talked to Palin by phone from Arizona, in what aides called a somewhat-lengthy call, which prompted him to ask her to come to Arizona later in the week.

She flew into Flagstaff on Wednesday and that night conferred with Schmidt and Salter. On Thursday morning about 7 a.m., she, Salter, Schmidt and a Palin aide climbed into an SUV with tinted windows to begin the 45-minute drive to McCain's retreat in Sedona.

There McCain greeted her, offered her a cup of coffee, and the two of them walked off to a bend in the creek on the property where chairs and a bench rest. The spot is one of McCain's favorites, with a hawk's nest above. McCain and Palin talked alone and then were joined by Cindy McCain.

Aides said Cindy McCain played a key role throughout the process of picking a vice president.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:37:22 PM EST

Re: Thomas Eagleton Watch II (none / 1)

I swear to God, McCain has got to be punking all of us. He's going to reveal his actual VP sometime before Wednesday.

I can't take Palin seriously anymore. And I was actually concerned Grandpa's gamble might pay off!

This has got to be a joke. Ashton Kutcher is going to flash across the screen any moment.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to you country.

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:43:54 PM EST

One Alaskan's Perspective (none / 1)

What is McCain Thinking? One Alaskan's Perspective

"Is this a joke?" That seemed to be the question du jour when my phone started ringing off the hook at 6:45am here in Alaska. I mean, we're sort of excited that our humble state has gotten some kind of national `nod'....but seriously? Sarah Palin for Vice President?

There is no doubt in my mind that many Alaskans are feeling pretty excited about this. But we live in our own little bubble up here, and most of the attention we get is because of the Bridge to Nowhere, polar bears, the indictment of Ted Stevens, and the ongoing investigation and conviction of the string of legislators and oil executives who literally called themselves "The Corrupt Bastards Club".

So seeing our governor out there in the national spotlight accepting the nomination for Vice Presidential candidate is just downright surreal.

Alaskans for Obama: A Rare Democratic Push in the Last Frontier

ANCHORAGE (Blogger/Washington Post) Aug. 5, 2008 - John McCain is not in Alaska because they only have three Electoral College votes! Something he is counting on as a given in the pocket win. History is on his side but times change and so do generations of people. McCain is wrong in counting Alaska as a given when the majority of citizens have no access to health care or even dream of health insurance. I can't speak for the people of Alaska but if the people running for the office of President don't even open up even one political office in your entire state, then don't you think they don't care about you as a person, a voter, an American?

Follow the money and you see who the real candidate for President in the Republican Party is. Alaska does not matter, isn't even worth a dollar in campaign dollars raised. Follow the money from the Obama campaign and you see that he is about inclusion of all American voters. Even if you have to take a plane to reach a village in the land that is the last true frontier.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:32:46 AM EST

A Native Alaskan's Perspective (none / 1)

from alaska native issues

...I am proud to be voting for and supporting the first Black/Mixed race President. But I am not voting for him because he's black. I'm voting for his ideas, his plans, his experience, his obvious desire and will to change America for the better. "Any black man" will not do. He's the man for the job, and it's a bonus that he will also be breaking the racial "glass ceiling." But he's done plenty for black America, from legistlation on racial profiling to his work in Chicago - he was a civil rights lawyer!
But this is the kind of stuff that concerns me about the Todd Palin mentions (from the Baltimore Chronicle):

Married to a native Eskimo, and with four mixed-race children, she can
expect to appeal to many non-white American voters, on whose support the Obama campaign is counting.
I cannot stress enough - Sarah Palin has done nothing for the Alaska Native community - a community that includes her own children.
Any venture into the Alaska Native community has been superficial at best. I can't even take issue with her Alaska Native policies, because she has NOTHING of substance. She has ignored Alaska Native people from before she took office as governor - an act all the more harmful because it is her own children's heritage she is not acknowledging.
The only thing I know she's "done" for Alaska Native people - fire them. Or not hire them in the first place. The more recent one is Walt Monegan. I absolutely don't believe she fired him because he was Native - I believe she fired him because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law- despite the investigation that had already been done on him, with findings and reprimand...

hmmmmmm...it appears sandra "barracuda" palin is not well thought of by the native peoples in her own state.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:48:32 AM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rni6G7RRFkk

Wow. Check out this ABC video of the festivities at the GOP Convention in the Twin Cities. The most pointed and hard-hitting piece I've seen in years from a mainstream news source. Absolutely amazing. I sent a congratulatory note to Charles Gibson at ABC News. As much as we gripe about the corporate media, I think it' a good idea to give them a pat on the back when they get it right. Here's the link if you'd like to do the same -

http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346&cat=World%20News%20with%20Charles%20Gibson

Maybe Big Media has had enough, too. More like this, please....

by eagleye on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:53:17 AM EST

Where's the one from last week? (none / 0)

That is pretty harsh. I heard this morning and evening from my friends on the ground in MN, they said that the workshops/panels had been cancelled, but the parties, while sorta lame, were going strong.

~~~THIS SPACE FOR RENT~~~

by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 02:36:11 AM EST
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Well, the question is whether McCain can lure Shriver out of retirement. He'd be perfect for the ticket. He's pro-life, he's got experience (at running for VP), and at 93 he'd make McCain look youthful by comparison.

I think McCain has to stick with Palin and hope that she turns out to be one of those awful VP picks that isn't fatal to the ticket (like Agnew or Quayle). The worst thing he could do is drop Palin from the ticket. It would effectively end the election.

If what we know so far is the worst of it, Palin should be able to ride to out. Her daughter's pregnancy shouldn't be held against her, and may in the end win her sympathy. The Alaska Independence Party connection could be billed as trying to reduce the sway of the Federal government, in line with a Reagan-type philosophy. The trooper scandal could be a distraction, but it's something that was known before Palin was selected, so the campaign must not think that it's too serious.

On the plus side, how many VP choices were out there that could get the enthusiastic backing of the evangelicals, the Ron Paul supporters, and Big Oil?

by JLG on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 02:33:45 AM EST

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Lord have mercy, it's hard out there for a Republican pimp. They're going to have to ditch Sarah Palin.

LOL! They'll blame the evil liberals for driving her away and the stupid fundies will fall for it.
Who will McCain replace her with?

by Cee on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 02:36:24 AM EST

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If Palin does decide to withdraw her name, it will be because of the rampant, institutionalized misogyny of the Democratic Party that they have been foisting upon America for decades.

Pay not attention to what the GOP has been doing to dismantle feminism and civil rights for all Americans.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 06:49:01 AM EST
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If Rove doesn't have something major up his sleeve, this will turn out to be about the worst blunder in modern political history. I give her a week at most. Even our bought and paid for media can't ignore how completely unfit for office, any office, this woman is. Don't count out Leiberman taking her place.

by mikefromtexas on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 02:44:05 AM EST

She was chosen for one reason........ (none / 1)

and one reason only.

To energize the religious-right wing of the party. And from most everything that I have seen this appears to have been accomplished.

Her experience doesn't matter. Her lightweight resume is irrelevant. Her association with various groups who we think might be questionable is a non-issue. The fact that the "Realist School" thinks Palin is a mistake does not matter one whit here people! McCain knows that in the end they will fall in line. They will swallow their pride and support the ticket. But McCain knew that if the fundamentalists sat this one out, he was toast. He needs their money and he needs their enthusiastic backing. This was a purely political decision based on his need to reel this critical group back into the Republican fold.

This hue and cry for her McCain to pull her nomination is almost laughable. McCain can win the election without the enthusiastic support of the Lugar's, Hagel's and Powell's. He can afford to piss them off. But he cannot win without the full support of the right wing religous crowd.

No one on the McCain side gives a shit about whether she is "ready to be President". Pull her nomination? What is everybody smoking here?? Remember, it's the Republicans were talking about.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:30:34 AM EST

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But this pick is a bridge too far

Or perhaps a bridge to nowhere..

by ericy on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 08:53:05 AM EST

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Eagleton-I don't feel good about using his name to describe what is happening with McCain. From what I recall, he was a decent person who was mentally ill. I believe he died recently, and that his symptoms had become more troublesome with time. He is to be pitied not held up in scorn.

A more apt comparison is Geraldine Ferraro who wasn't vetted, is clearly not a nice person and had a lot of skeletons in the closet, most specifically, her husband's unethical "career." But perhaps we'd rather beat up on Eagleton who is deceased and cannot speak for himself than bring up Ferraro again.

by Heart of the Rockies on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 09:20:32 AM EST

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I think the Eagleton thing has something to do with the hope that Palin will drop out like he did.

And with her earmark history, it could happen.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 09:36:34 AM EST
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Re: Thomas Eagleton Watch II (none / 0)

As a fellow Vagina-American I don't want Palin to drop out. She might mobilize the hard right but anyone who is moderate or independent will (providing there is a brain there) go for Obama in light of her extreme-right social conservatism.

by Second Nature (denn1214 at gmail) on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 09:46:15 AM EST
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The only reason I'd like to see her drop out is that it shines a light on how poor McStain's judgment is. The one big decision he had as a presidential candidate, and he screwed it up big time.

If she stays on, I hope we see a commercial about how the guy who's running against earmarks picked a VP who hired lobbyists to get them for her as a small-town mayor. She's no Washington outsider.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 at 10:02:07 AM EST
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