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AP: Palin Lies Again in Carson City

by BooMan
Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:22:28 AM EST

Do you see what happens when you turn on your base (the press), John McCain? Do you see what happens?

CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin made her first solo campaign appearance outside her home state Saturday, sticking largely to a speech that has boosted her popularity among Republican faithful but drawn criticism for having misstatements.

The Alaska governor repeated her claim to have killed the now-famous "Bridge to Nowhere," which her running mate, Arizona Sen. John McCain, has derided as wasteful pork. Palin first approved of the project. She turned against it only after it proved to be a political embarrassment.

That's an Associated Press article that will be appearing in non-elitist local newspapers all over the country tomorrow. Right there in the lede, with no equivocation whatsoever, it says Sarah Palin is making a mistatement. It's calling her a liar. And, lest you think that's the limit of the blowback McCain is now getting from the press, you should read the rest of the article.

Watch how many ways they make Palin look weak:

Palin spoke less than 20 minutes, using a teleprompter, at the late Saturday event in a roller hockey rink...

Palin's first steps alone on the trail without McCain have been cautious...

...the Alaska governor flew to Reno, Nev. and drove 30 miles to the sleepy state capital, the sort of small community she is expected to win over...

The rally was the only public event planned in Nevada before Palin headed to Denver. She had no events scheduled Sunday, and is expected to rejoin McCain on the campaign trail next week.

...The governor has limited her public appearances and chances to mingle with voters or reporters since leaving McCain's side earlier in the week...

About two hours after Palin's speech Saturday, hundreds of people protesting the policies of Palin lined a busy Anchorage street, waving signs and chanting "Obama!"

...Palin stayed for two days at her Wasilla home on Lake Lucille, missing a hastily planned rally of about 100 supporters gathered at a hotel near her home Friday evening. Organizers had hoped she'd stop by or say a few words through a special video conference connection they had set up.

What's ironic is that when this campaign started, my biggest concern was that the love affair between the press and John McCain would mean he'd never get called on anything. But you can't use the GOP Convention to declare war on the press and then lie to and about them, and think you are going to get the same kind of coverage you got when you were grilling them hamburgers on the back porch.

The press in not going to report Sarah Palin's lies as truths anymore. And, you know what that means? Without a bigger base or any advantage on the issues or more charisma or an advantage in the news coverage, McCain will have to go for the lizard brain. He will have to play on people's deepest fears and prejudices to have any chance to win.



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Obama was right...the republiCons DO think we're stupid.

to the 'Cons:--remember what happens when you assume.....heh   (think ass*u*me...)

"The invisible hand of Adam Smith seems to offer an extended middle finger to an awful lot of people"---George Carlin

by justadood on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:32:10 AM EST
Got to hand it to you Booman, you were pretty astute with your observations about what will happen once McCain turns on "his base". I didn't see that line of thought anywhere else.
by Alexander on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:43:13 AM EST
But according to Thomas Edsall, the McCain camp has decided that it doesn't need the media anymore:
The McCain campaign, however, is banking on the notion that the steady decline in trust in the media has reached the point of no return, that the press and television can no longer play the role of umpire or national arbiter of what is accurate and what is untrue, what is fair game and what is out of bounds.

The McCain campaign is making no secret of its changed stance. "We recognize it's not going to be 2000 again," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told Politico, referring to the campaign eight years ago when McCain was revered by the media for his transparency and accessibility.

"He lost then," Rogers said. "[Now] We're running a campaign to win. And we're not too concerned about what the media filter tries to say about it."

by Alexander on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 05:02:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's pretty shocking how much the McCain campaign is flat-out lying with ease at this point in time. I don't remember Bush or Cheney unambiguously stating falsehoods this much on the trail in 2004.
by PsiFighter37 on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:59:13 AM EST
Bush/Cheney told BIG LIES.  McCain/Palin tell small, petty easily refuted lies.
by BooMan on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:11:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They certainly did tell countless enormous whoppers, but as I recall most of those were not on the campaign trail, but after they had gained the White House.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:30:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The bigger the lie, the harder it is to refute. Not because of the amount of truth within a big lie. A lie is a lie. But it's because there is so much dependent on the Big Lie.

For ex, the Iraq War is based on a number of big lies. Each one can be knocked down on its own, but the the war is. There are trillions of dollars invested, thousands dead. People can't admit that the emperor has no clothes. Everyone is invested in the Lie. "My son died." "My niece lost a leg." My flag. My party.

If tomorrow every newspaper and cable news network started out their broadcast saying, "Yeah, we lied to you. This war is a fraud. Bush lied, Cheney lied. We all lied to you," most supporters of the war would just get angry. They'd refuse to believe it. They are wedded to the Lie. That's why I see the Republican seaminess as more of a psychosis. Just like psychotics live in a fantasy world where infantile destructive urges are simple answers for complex problems ("Let's go to war with Russia!"), Republicans tap into the infantile to alternately salve or whip up the fears of their constituency.

Our country is built on lies. I am always pointing to the JFK drilling in Dallas (and the other assassinations back then) as to when the train left the truthiness tracks, but quite honestly there are plenty of places before that where our national discourse separated itself from honesty. This is a country that started out declaring "All men are created equal" but has spent the last two centuries equivocating about the details. And in the political debate, details get lost in the rhetoric.

by Bob In Pacifica on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:32:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Narcissists and other types of sociopathic personalities lie with absolute aplomb. It is one of the diagnostic criteria for the disorder. Bush appears to be a textbook narcissist, yet there are times he knows he is lying and does not feel 100% comfortable with it. At those times he telegraphs it clearly (his snicker - hehehehehe - is one of the ways he does it). With Palin either she is able to lie without any twinge of conscience, or I have not watched her enough to detect her indicators that she is knowingly lying, and is not entirely comfortable with it. McCain, when he knows he is lying and is not completely comfortable with his lies, goes into what some people have described as a "robotic" state.

Palin may be a narcissistic personality - she certainly shows some of the signs. Narcissists are often very charming, engaging people, more often than not exceptionally intelligent, or at least quick witted, and lack the capacity to feel empathy for other beings. They are by definition sociopaths to one degree or another, and tend to lie habitually, sometimes by preference, and even when telling the truth would clearly be in their best interest. They have a grandiose sense of themselves, their abilities, and their impact on other people. Sarah Palin's support, and apparent enjoyment of the brutal practice aerial hunting shows, to my way of thinking anyway, a lack of empathy (there are plenty of videos on You Tube that give you a sense of what the animals go through that are hunted in that way. She certainly lies with ease, even when she must know that what she is saying has been exposed as a lie. And she does appear to have grandiose ideas about herself.

As for McCain, he certainly could be a narcissist as well, and/or a sociopath, and who knows what damage his experiences as a POW did to his personality. Wow! Just what we need - another sociopath in the White House with a third one waiting eagerly in the wings.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:25:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, come on. Today (as opposed to Nixon's time, for example) all Republicans are sociopaths, to one degree or another. It's just that some Republicans are more sociopathic than others.

This is why I can't get into this shock at what McCain and Palin are doing, although of course using it to help our side is a good thing.

by Alexander on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:52:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In a rational world, a Republican lying would be as newsworthy as a dog biting a man.
by Alexander on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:00:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In a rational world a POLITICIAN lying would be as newsworthy as a dog biting a man.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:15:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is not only Republicans who are sociopaths. Plenty of Dems are too. Same with narcissists - Bill Clinton comes to mind, for example. And one has to be pretty narcissistic to go after the presidency.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:14:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"McCain will have to go for the lizard brain. He will have to play on people's deepest fears and prejudices to have any chance to win."

Which is something the current crop of Republicans know how to do by now, and very effectively.

I don't think there is much they will stop at to win this one.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:00:11 AM EST
I think McCain made a huge mistake with the Palin VP pick.  Not just because she's a lying incompetent nitwit, but because she doesn't expand his base-- she only appeals to the type of voter who was likely to vote Republican anyway.  The Republican base alone isn't enough to win elections, especially in a year when the Democrats have a strong and charismatic team, a huge advantage in new voter registration, and the nation is beset with various problems that can be attributed to GOP leadership (or lack thereof).

In November, Democrats have every reason to expect big turnout, ehanced by exceptional participation on the part of youth and minority voters.  To win, McCain would have to draw significant numbers of independent voters and some crossover Democrats.  Palin doesn't help with those sectors of the electorate-- she's driving them away.  The wretched Joe Lieberman would have done McCain more good as a running mate.  

by eagleye on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 02:48:04 AM EST
she only appeals to the type of voter who was likely to vote Republican anyway.

You are overlooking that until McCain pulled Palin out of a hat, the Republican base was demoralized. The Republicans can't win without their demented base, and before Palin, there was every reason to think that the turnout of the base would have been inadequate.

At this stage, I think the main thing that gives McCain a good chance of winning the election is that many Americans who have not swallowed the Republican Kool Aid still cannot bring themselves to vote for a black for president.

It would have been different if the Democrats had demonized the Republican party, which they choosed not to do when they took impeachment off the table.

by Alexander on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 03:11:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Her body language with McSame in front of crowds seems to indicate absence of empathy. She practically crashes into him or brushes him off to make contact with the crowd.

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 05:20:21 AM EST
looked to me like she was avoiding all but the minimum body contact with a serial groper!

john doesn't bring out the cuddle factor enough...

"Terrorism is the war of the poor, and war is the terrorism of the rich." Peter Ustinov

by melo on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 09:44:56 AM EST
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by gaiilonfong on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 08:53:52 AM EST
I was just about to post a link that to that.  :)

I love the woman with the sign saying "My daughter deserves better".

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 09:10:56 AM EST
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Wow! That made my day! Everybody should see this one. I especially liked the idea of a "Women Reject Sarah Palin Day".

"I never trust people who don't laugh." Maya Angelou, March 5, 2009
by Indianadem on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 09:34:22 AM EST
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The NY Times laid Sister Sarah out on a slab this morning on the front page.
Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that his request would cost $468,784 to process.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages -- through a federal records request -- he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

"Their secrecy is off the charts," Mr. Steiner said.

Palin = Bush, the Second Chance.  No wonder the GOP base is wild about her.  She's eight more years of the same incurious, ignorant, bull-headed, thin-skinned paranoid idiocy we've been suffering for the last eight.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.
by Zandar1 on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:10:28 AM EST
"Their secrecy is off the charts," Mr. Steiner said.

Secrecy and back room dealings are a familiar characteristic of republican administrators in our state as well, from the governor's office right down to the county level. Our dear leader Mitch Daniels would like to reform local government to eliminate many elected local offices. So much easier to control appointees, don't you think?

"I never trust people who don't laugh." Maya Angelou, March 5, 2009

by Indianadem on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:24:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Wow - sounds just like a replay of the Bush regime!
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:18:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sequestering Palin is the only strategy left to the McCain campaign, given the Gibson catastrophe.

Still, Bush was elected twice in spite of similar problems. Remember when Bush was unable to tell one country from another? Didn't matter. Competency is apparently not a factor for 51% of the population. Palin qualifies.

by shergald on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:45:05 AM EST
Has anyone ever definitely determined what the bump on Bush's back was during one of the debates?
by Quentin on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 11:08:21 AM EST
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Some history is dead in the water and not worth remembering. Same applies to me, apparently. No don't recall.

by shergald on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 01:06:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Sequestering Palin is the only strategy left to the McCain campaign, given the Gibson catastrophe."

WHAT catastrophe? You mean the "catastrophe" that actually left a number of DEMOCRATIC voters reassured about her? Yup! That's what I was hearing over and over again the day after.

It might have looked like a catastrophe to people like you and me, but it was only a catastrophe if other people saw it the same way, and there is evidence that a lot of people who SHOULD have seen it that way, saw it in quite another.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:22:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Relax.  
by BooMan on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 12:40:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I can't relax. The stakes are too high.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:04:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here's the best description of Palin that I've seen:
the new savior of the GOP, Sarah Palin, is the one who is finally waking everyone up to what the Republican party really is all about. They are not serious about foreign policy (Fallows is just brutal). They are not serious (or honest) about scientific policy. They are not serious about economic policy (other than cutting taxes). They are not serious about an energy policy (just drill, baby, drill).

They just are not serious about, well, anything.

And Sarah Palin is the distilled essence of wingnut. She has it all. She is dishonest. She is a religious nut. She is incurious. She is anti-science. She is inexperienced. She abuses her authority. She hides behind executive privilege. She is a big spender. She works from the gut and places a greater value on instinct than knowledge.

by Alexander on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 05:54:10 PM EST
But the Question is Did Screech Palin bill the Alaska taxpayers "per diem"  which according to her is anything she "does on behalf of Alaska"  She's the Governor you know for ALMOST 2 years!
by irishdave3 (irish_dave3@yahoo.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:03:15 PM EST
Did you know that in Manchurian-speak Pai Lin is translated as a "Boob with Sharper Talking Points  ...lol  Oh, Sorry, I forgot the new, improved McCain/Palin ticket, Now  Politcally Correct!   heard any good "dog" or Rape jokes lately?
by irishdave3 (irish_dave3@yahoo.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 10:09:46 PM EST
I hope that everyone, and especially the Obama campaign, will read this article:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122125912790430149-lMyQjAxMDI4MjExNDIxNTQ5Wj.html

Depressing stuff.

"I can resist everything except temptation." - Oscar Wilde

by DataMasseuse (owning-40786@mypacks.net) on Mon Sep 15th, 2008 at 06:10:26 PM EST


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