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by Steven D
Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 11:35:07 AM EST

If racism doesn't explain the fact that McCain now only trails Obama in Deep Blue New York State by 5 percentage points in the latest poll, than what does?
A New York poll finds Sen. Barack Obama's lead in the state has fallen to five points, down from 18 points in June.

The Siena Research Institute poll has Obama, a Democrat, leading Sen. John McCain 46 to 41 percent among likely voters in the heavily Democratic state. He led 51-33 in the June survey.

Likely voters say they believe Obama would do a better job revitalizing the nation's economy, ending the war in Iraq, improving the health care system, and enhancing the education system. McCain, the Republican nominee, is seen as stronger on fighting terrorism and enhancing America's strength in the world.

I can't believe Sexy Sarah and all the McCain lies that the media is willing to repeat ad nauseam is the reason for Obama's precipitous drop in the polls in New York. Maybe after Wall Street completely collapses people will regain their senses, but so far the only explanation I have is that a lot of people, even in a blue state, don't want to let the "uppity" black man move into in their "White House."



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It's called playing not to lose.  

The Democrats have been playing not to lose for at least 2 years.  They have turned a blowout into a nail biter.  They chose this path.  They chose this strategy of "hope" over fighting the Republicans.  

This is pure centrist politics at work.  Obama moving to the right.  Democrats always move to the right and always lose.

They're losers.  That's what Democrats do.  They cut and run from the fight and then cry about how it's not fair.  

Someone call the fucking waaaaaaaaambulance because we got a critical case of loseritis.  Someone needs to drag the lifeless body of the latest Democratic nominee off the stage.  He's the same as the rest--a "liberal elitist" that doesn't have the courage of his convictions and is incapable of making the liberal argument.  He's a cut and runner and it's too late.  The Democratic party hasn't learned it's lesson.  It once again chose to cut and run instead of fighting the conservative bullies.  

And it always ends the same way.  Losers wimps (Democrats) getting gunned down by the side with much more firepower and a better offense.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:33:16 PM EST
by JayGR on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:46:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah, and under skilled management its a good strategy.  

But the Democrats don't necessarily inspire confidence.  They don't act like winners.  They strike me as the team that can't even manage the clock properly.

And now instead of "managing the clock" they are back to their 2 minute offense.  

I have even less confidence in the Democrats 2 minute skillz than I do their clock management skillz.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:52:53 PM EST
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As an Ohioan virtually all of my life and a long-suffering fan of the Cincinnati Bengals, I can tell you a lot about the results of "playing not to lose" instead of "playing to win".  Like Democrats who cling to the Clintons, we here in Cincy can only cling to the 2005 season as a high water mark.  It is truly pathetic.

If I didn't know better, I would swear that Mike Brown is running the show for the Democrats.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio (miken45054@yahoo.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:11:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ha.  I see where you're coming from.

I too have seen my fair share of playing not to lose.  Big Ten football is all about conservative football.  I don't know how many times I've seen the Hawkeyes put a knee down when they have the ball with maybe a minute left in the first half and 50 yards or so to go.  They play conservatively.  They don't have the same talent as other teams (its a much smaller state) and they have to focus on fundamentals and being more physical than the other team.  They focus on not making mistakes.  And it works.  It's a good style of football for what they have.  It's frustrating to watch sometimes but I have some confidence they can pull it out.  

The Democrats on the other hand don't play fundamentally sound football.  They make a lot of mistakes.  They can't run the ball up the middle, manage the clock, and ultimately win in a controlled manner.  Seeing them try to pull off a clock management/field position game is nerve racking.  They do not inspire confidence.  

They are trying to play Big Ten football against a pro offense.  It.  Just.  Doesn't.  Work.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:40:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
i think polling has a problem, because when I had a land line i would get polling calls. Know that I have a cell, i get no polling calls, even those fake ones put out by Repugs.
by americanforliberty on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 11:44:19 AM EST
Even as pessimistic as I am about this, I'd have to go with this.

Having said that, Hillary and Bill haven't done a thing since Sister Sarah made her debut.  They could be helping Obama.  They're not.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 11:52:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"Clintons to the rescue!!"

Worst headline ever. Obama is his own man. It's best that way.

Declaring the bottom is the only way back up..

by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 11:58:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When I had a land line I never got called for any political polls. Now that I use only a cell phone, I never get called for any political polls.

Maybe, if they also polled people with cell phones only things would look different. Or maybe not. It is all speculation. And it's unbelievably scary.

The most dangerous thing in this country is the electorate.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:49:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
i guess their reaching only those with a land line..land line polling..is that true polling??
by americanforliberty on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 02:32:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You mean is it well-designed and likely to be accurate? that depends on whether excluding cell phone users actually skews the results. I don't know whether it does or not, but I suspect that the types of people who will support an empty bubble with a nasty agenda use cell phones every bit as much as more enlightened types do. More of them might have land lines, but it is hard to know how much of a factor that really is.

The land line versus cell phone notion looks to me like grasping at straws.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 05:56:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
With a land line, you know where you are calling; the area code virtually matches the media market.

With cell phones, you might be calling a phone with a upstate New York area code that is in the hands of a voter who lives and is registered in Kansas.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

by TarheelDem on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 07:21:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Very true.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 07:55:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yup.

Polling is a fraud perpetrated by the corporations and the media who have a vested interest in making this a close race.  

  1. A close race gets more eyeballs.  

  2. A close race is stealable.

How can they claim their poll is a representative sample when they don't reach all of us who screen our calls (the entrepreneurs and people who work from home and busy people)?  Pollsters never leave a message because the automated dialers recognize a machine.  We must be at least 10% of the voters.  The educated ones.

How can they claim their poll is representative, when they ignore the probable third of the electorate that ONLY has cell phone and text... no land lines = no lists.  

They don't even know what part of the electorate they can or can't reach!  But they think they can massage the data points to sound convincing?  Hah!

Numbers lie.

Garbage in, garbage out.

The raw data from the exit polls, before they massage it, will be interesting, and I hope that people who get the newswire feeds will capture that data as it flows.

Since polls lie worse than politicians, why don't we ignore them?

by hauksdottir on Wed Sep 17th, 2008 at 08:57:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe, just maybe, it's the War Hero vs. Snake Oil Salesmen debate?

Declaring the bottom is the only way back up..
by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 11:54:36 AM EST
A lot of people feel that way, but a lot of people also know that it's wrong.
Also - polls lie or mis-speak, as do a lot of reporters.
by Alice on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 11:54:43 AM EST
Siena has a horrible record, they got the NY primaries wrong, I wouldn't put any stock in this outlier.  If Obama only won NY by 5 points, he'd lose the country by 15 points.
by existenz on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:11:52 PM EST
I don't know about how reputable the polling outfit is.  However, the poll was conducted at the height of the post-convention bounce for Republicans:

The poll released Monday contacted 626 registered voters between Sept. 8 and 10 and has a sampling error margin of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.


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by RustyPipes (rustdotypipesatyahoodotcom) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:47:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The radical left has not been happy with Obama's stands on Iran, Iraq and the telephone company immunity issue.  When, however, it comes down to Obama vs McCain, the activists will come out roaring for the Senator from Illinois.  We are well aware of the dangers posed by the toxic military-corporate-religious complex.

I don't trust polls at all.  Thank god Harry Truman didn't either.

Hillary and Bill, surprise us all.  Do something for someone else for a change.

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Daredevil Don on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:14:38 PM EST
If the "radical left" is against the "military-corporate-religious complex" then they have no ally in Senator Obama.  Obama is clearly running toward the "military-corporate-religious complex" and away from "radical" lefties.  So I don't know what you're talking about.  

If activists come out roaring for Obama they are being seriously duped.  Sure, he's better than the pure evil the other side is running.  But his whole strategy is to run away from the "base" or the "activists" so if he's counting on the left to come out in droves he's screwed.  Because his whole plan has been the opposite--it's the old third-way Clintonian triangulation plan--you know--the one we've seen a million times?  Where the Democrat runs to the right toute suite?

Obama should be getting a ton of these conservative White Appalachian voters he started making a move for this summer.  He wrote the "radical lefties" like me off this summer.  So where's this bounce in conservatives that he was going for?  He should be expecting a drop off in support of "activists" and "radical lefties" because he threw them under the bus already.

If he's coming back to us radical lefties he's in a world of hurt.  And I for one demand a better quid pro quo than he has promised heretofore.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:47:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Any anti-war voter who was paying attention knew from the beginning that he was not their candidate, despite all the nice-sounding sound bytes about "bringing the troops home". He spelled out his plan for Iraq in detail very early in the primaries, as did Hillary. Their plans were very similar, and were not withdrawal plans, but plans merely to reconfigure the occupation, and give it a lower profile. The problem is that almost no one was paying attention to anything beyond the sound bytes and the P.R. material on his website, and ditto for Hillary.

Even their promises to withdraw combat troops were verbal sleight of hand. Both of them spelled out some of the missions of the tens of thousands of occupation troops that would remain, and most of those missions involved combat, so unless they were planning to send cooks, truck drivers, and mechanics on combat missions, they could not withdraw all combat troops.

I voted for neither Obama nor Hillary in the primary, even though they were the only two left standing by that time. Everyone else had dropped out.

I can safely refuse to vote for him in the general, because there is absolutely no question that he will win my state. Therefore, I will vote for a third party candidate, or write someone in who is more in line with my principles. However, the idea of McCain as President scares me a great deal, and the idea of the narcissistic ignoramus Palin as VP, let alone President (and there is a 30% chance that she WOULD become president in the next four years) scares me to death.

The most dangerous thing in the United States is the electorate.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:15:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Right.  You're absolutely right.

I don't mean to exaggerate Obama's "move" to the right.  It was clearly more of a rhetorical move and a campaign strategy rather than an ideological shift (although he did change his position of FISA, for one).  And part of this "move to the right" was the natural unwinding of the Democratic primary foolishness.  The candidates appealed to the left via a wink wink strategy in the primaries--meaning everyone knew they would disavow their new found "liberalism" in the general but maybe, just maybe, the candidate will enact liberal policies when he's in office when there will be no political pressure (Ha!).  Heck, a bet a lot of progressives would have settled for one single measly bone thrown their way ("just one issue--health care?--please?) and would have hailed Obama as the most progressive administration ever.  

You're right that it was foolish for actual progressives to think the wink wink was helpful.  They should have known that the Democrats would cower in fear at the first Republican attack and would not be offering any more winks.  Progressives should have known the Dems would instinctively turn into the Republican-lite cowards they are.

So much of this shift is simply the fact that more progressives have finally waken up to the fact that Obama is like all the other centrist Dems.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 02:19:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Right, and I hope it is clear that his Iraq plan was from very early in the primary, and was not a shift to the right or in any other direction. He spelled it out clearly and in detail almost at the beginning of the primary season, as did Hillary her nearly identical plan.

Neither of them EVER intended to make a full withdrawal from Iraq, but to leave somewhere between 50-75,000 troops there to, as Hillary put it complete the "military as well as the political mission in Iraq". In other words, they intended from the beginning to continue the imperial project with a reconfigured occupation.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 06:02:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Since "the left" has come up, I might as well post a reply I gave to a European asking how McCain could be even with Obama now:

America's formally a democracy, but not substantively. (Of course, that's becoming increasingly true of Europe as well.) One goes through the motions of democracy, but the political system is incapable of producing outcomes that the people want.

Both parties have been captured by special interests, and the views of most people are controlled by the corporate media, which, unsurprisingly, are a propaganda machine serving corporate and elite interests. Democrats are afraid to give the people what they want, such as universal health care or ending wars, because Democrats realize that they would lose political contributions and get trashed by the media. Since the Democrats today are basically a more moderate version of the Republican party, about half of the public doesn't even bother to vote, while the Republican Party and various right-wing news outlets are able to keep enough backward people motivated to vote Republican so that it is hard for Democrats to win national elections. (Presidential elections being decided not by popular vote, but through the Electoral College, which weighs votes from sparsely populated states more than votes from states with large urban populations, does not help.)

The Democrats haven't changed, even for this election cycle. It now appears that they will continue forever not giving the people what they want, continually hoping that the public will finally come to its senses and realize that the Republicans are running the country into the ground, and that the Democrats, if elected, would try to moderate this process.

by Alexander on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:21:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If the choice is Obama and Biden vs McCain and Palin, as it certainly is, and if the race in NY is close, then, we on the left have no choice but to support the former.  I want to vote for the Green Party in the worst way, but, if necessary, I will hold my nose and vote for the Democrat ticket.

I agree with your assessment on Obama moving to the right and I think his realignment sucks.  But, McCain is like more and more insane, and Palin, I think will bring back the Inquisition.  If they win, it's over for America.

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Daredevil Don on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 03:42:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here's a good piece that gets at the problem:

The Democrats Do Poland

What's up with nominating one wholly cerebral, completely unflappable, painfully careful, mind-numbingly deliberative, thermostatically-controlled, cool-customer candidate after another, eh?  Yo!  Hey!  Memo to the DNC:  We've done the Mondale/Dukakis/Gore/Kerry thing, okay?  We've covered that particular motif.  We've seen that movie and all the cash cow sequels too.  We know what it looks like, and we know how it turns out.  Enough with the stiffies, okay?  Could you possibly send something else out of central casting, just once per half century?  Even just for the novelty of it? [...]

Could somebody please show him the gut-wrenching tape of Dukakis responding to the horrifying rape question he was asked in one of the 1988 debates?!?!  Memo to Barack:  robots don't win!  Even in 2008.  Nor should they.  You know, if you can't even muster a little indignation when someone is out there lying about you and kicking you around with condescending smugness, I wouldn't even want you for my dad, let alone my president.  (And don't ever forget, by the way, it doesn't take a PhD in political psychology to know how much voters see presidents as daddy figures.)

Here's Obama the other day, um and ahs deleted, reacting in deadpan monotone to the freak show of the GOP convention:  "They spent a lot of time trying to run me down and not necessarily telling the truth, but what they didn't talk about is you - what you're going through in your lives, what your friends and neighbors are going through."

Excuse me??  "Trying to run me down"??  "Trying to"??  "Not necessarily telling the truth"??  "Not necessarily"??  Are you freakin' kidding me, Jack?  What, are you trying to carefully avoid a slander lawsuit here, or something?  What would happen if they called you a pedophile or a genocidal maniac?  Would they graduate to being "arguably conceivably disengenuous" in your estimation?  Or would that be a little too emotionally uncontrolled? [...]

Dukakis at least had the excuse of the true patriot, believing that in the America he loved a good and competent person like himself could never be defeated by a sick bastard like Lee Atwater, let alone based on lies about the pledge of allegiance and the ACLU, or by using overt symbols of racism.  But Mr. Obama - Senator Barackis Dukakis - that was FIVE elections ago, okay?

This is looking to be a repeat of Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry. I don't think race is the decisive factor. Obama just comes across as too phlegmatic for enough voters to be able to see him as president. It just doesn't seem that he has the spirit to fight in him.

by Alexander on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 12:31:39 PM EST
It's racism.
by Quiddity (quiddity_q@lycos.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:04:07 PM EST
I think there is plenty of closet racism, but the polls don't capture the intensity of commitment among Obama's base and the likelihood of huge turnout for him in November, especially among youth and minority voters.  I'm guessing that the two opposing forces more or less cancel each other out, and that our main mission is simply to get out the vote big-time.
by eagleye on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:05:07 PM EST
The polls aren't capturing the level of intensity of the Christian fundamentalists either.  And the Christian fundamentalists have a much better track record of voting than do minority and youth voters.

And McCain has the older vote on his side.  They also have a history of high voting percentages.

And which side is more energized right now?  

Obama has one hail Mary pass left.  Maybe it will work.  But he sure ran a funny campaign if he was betting the farm on youth and minority votes.

He should not have tacked to the right and he should not have disavowed his black preacher, his black church and the leaders of the black community.  He should not have slapped progressives in the face.  

He should run to the left if he's going after minorities and the youth.  Make the case to them.  Maybe he should have put a pro marijuana Westerner on his ticket as VP if he wanted the young vote.  Shit, he could have tried a lot of things to appeal to this vote.

But instead he tried to go after McCain's older, white, religious, and conservative voters.  Same as Gore and Kerry and Clinton did.  And we get the same predictable results.  

by SFHawkguy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:22:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"...the polls don't capture the intensity of commitment among Obama's base and the likelihood of huge turnout for him in November..."

That sounds like nonsense speculation coming from utter desperation. How do you fail to "capture the intensity of commitment" in a poll? Either people are going to vote for him, or they do not, and it is irrelevant how intensely committed are those who are going to vote for him. If the polls are properly randomized, they will include those who are "intensely committed" along with those who are "unintensely committed", along with those who are "reluctantly committed", and they will be reasonably accurate regardless of "intensity of commitment".

And what about the intensity of commitment for Palin? I have rarely seen so many people so thrilled to be making so much out of an empty, if attractive, bubble. And she is even fooling quite a few "dyed in the wool" liberals and centrist Democrats. I can't believe how many of them have said they felt "reassured" after that abortion of an interview.

"It's 'cause they're not polling people with cell phones - no, it's 'cause the polls don't capture the intensity of commitment - no, it's 'cause polls are never right - no, it's 'cause [fill in the blank]." Bullshit! It's 'cause too much of the American electorate is mindless, shallow, and does not bother to actually listen and pay attention, let alone think about the consequences of their votes.

The most dangerous thing in the United States is the electorate - what part of that is not clear by now?

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:45:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
it's not just this poll...have a look at 538's compilations...they've been pretty damn reliable this election season, btw.

even with the barracuda's bounce eroding, there's plenty to be worried about:

this election coulda, shoulda, woulda been a slam dunk for the d's...and due to whatever your favorite reason why it isn't, it's about as far from it as you can get.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:17:58 PM EST
FWIW....this poll was from September 10, and the events of the past week have not been kind to McCain.

I looked at a "this day in 2004" map, and Bush was ahead in NJ by a few points too.

My guess is this is an outlier poll.

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by clammyc (clam227atyahoo) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:27:16 PM EST
Keep on grasping at straws, people, if it makes you feel better.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:47:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Interestingly enough, the poll at the Newsday link is currently at 60.3% Obama, 39.7% McCain.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 01:39:11 PM EST
I suppose it could be racism, but I would have honestly thought that would have played out earlier in the polls.  People do not become racist overnight.  It's inconceivable to me that people will actually vote against their paychecks, but we have seen it time and time again among the evangelical base.  I still say timing is everything.  The debates haven't happened yet and the financial crisis narrative is starting to take hold. Just wait until they roll out their health care ads against McCain.  That will really make people sit and take notice.  For those that are lucky enough to have employer-sponsored group health, this will shake up the status quo like nothing else.  The markets seem kind of foreign to most people and they tend to tune them out, but health insurance is another story altogether.  Everyone understands what it means to be under or non insured.   It may be a few more polling cycles before we really start seeing how this is going to play out.
by Joy on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 03:02:09 PM EST
In Reagan's shadow

Obama has explicitly modeled himself on the popular backwards-looking image of Reagan - the positive, constructive, above-party guy who did spectacle well and inspired people to support him with a flash of his smile and the thrill of his oratory. He cites Reagan as an exemplar of the mode of politics he wants to engage in - telegenic, above the fray, sweeping political change and ignoring the critics. Even if he had not been trying so hard to dismiss Bill Clinton in order to minimize Hillary, Obama would still have been engaged in Reagan worship. Thus, the entire packaging of himself as a movement, swallowing hook line and sinker the hagiography of Saint Ronnie.

Charles Krauthammer is a hack and writes some of the most despicable commentary in American politics, but he wrote something truthful on Friday. He talked about the packaging of Obama (my emphasis throughout):

But Palin is not just a problem for Obama. She is also a symptom of what ails him. Before Palin, Obama was the ultimate celebrity candidate. For no presidential nominee in living memory had the gap between adulation and achievement been so great. Which is why McCain's Paris Hilton ads struck such a nerve. Obama's meteoric rise was based not on issues ... but on narrative, on eloquence, on charisma.

The unease at the Denver convention, the feeling of buyer's remorse, was the Democrats' realization that the arc of Obama's celebrity had peaked -- and had now entered a period of its steepest decline. That Palin could so instantly steal the celebrity spotlight is a reflection of that decline.

    [Krauthammer discusses key speeches by Obama, then says] The problem is that Obama began believing in his own magical powers -- the chants, the swoons, the "we are the ones" self-infatuation. Like Ronald Reagan, he was leading a movement, but one entirely driven by personality. Reagan's revolution was rooted in concrete political ideas (supply-side economics, welfare-state deregulation, national strength) that transcended one man. For Obama's movement, the man is the transcendence.

    Which gave the Obama campaign a cult-like tinge. With every primary and every repetition of the high-flown, self-referential rhetoric, the campaign's insubstantiality became clear. By the time it was repeated yet again on the night of the last primary (#3), the tropes were tired and flat. To top himself, Obama had to reach. Hence his triumphal declaration that history would note that night, his victory, his ascension, as "the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

    Clang. But Obama heard only the cheers of the invited crowd. Not yet seeing how the pseudo-messianism was wearing thin, he did Berlin (#4) and finally jumped the shark. That grandiloquent proclamation of universalist puffery popped the bubble. The grandiosity had become bizarre.

[...]

When I look at the collapse of Obama, the Movie! (a fall well under way during the primaries), what I see is the level of support an ordinary Democrat might garner in a ho-hum year. The One, The Precious, is gone. Palin robbed him of the celebrity, the quality of being shiny and new, and what we see is Obama as an unadorned Democrat. His high points now are when the actual heroes of the party, Bill & Hillary, come out and offer reasons for us to vote as Democrats for the ticket. [...]

Oddly enough, with the loss of celebrity, Obama ends up being the generic Democrat from central casting, promoted by a party actively jettisoning everything that makes it distinct. We have no signature issues for the campaign, only hopey-changey, we're not Bush (which worked so well for Kerry, as I remember...), don't vote for the guy who's stupid and out of touch (which worked so well for Carter, Mondale, Dukakis and Gore, as I remember...), we're all to blame for this Washington gridlock because Washington is the problem, etc., etc. There is nothing that looks, sounds or feels uniquely Democratic.

They are still running against the shadow of Reagan.

When will the Democrats realize that if they continue do disassociate themselves from the liberal tradition of FDR, Kennedy, and Johnson, they will have nothing of  substance to offer voters as an alternative to the Republicans, who most definitely do have substantive ideologies: (neoconservative) nationalism, Christianism, and neoliberalism. All of those ideologies have now become discredited. So why are Democrats still scared to death of returning to the ideology that made them the majority party for most of the twentieth century?

by Alexander on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 03:42:03 PM EST
Siena also put out a poll back during the primaries that said Hillary would only beat McCain by 3 or 4 points.  It's worthless.

Also, I notice they don't even say how many people were polled.  They contacted ~600 registered voters, but only report results for "likely" voters.  

by moreaxe (moreaxe@gmail.com) on Tue Sep 16th, 2008 at 07:11:16 PM EST


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A novel about contractors in Iraq from the woman that runs The Spy That Billed Me:

Outsourced: A Novel
from RJ Hillhouse.


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Featured by Keith Olbermann, New (Powell's Sale): Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower by William Blum (whose other books merit serious consideration)


"Explosive" State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
by James Risen


The book the CIA doesn't want you to read: Jawbreaker: The Attack on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda: A Personal Account by the CIA's Key Field Commander
Larry Johnson's review


BT's all-time best seller:

PERMACULTURE:
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Unequal Sisters: A Multicultural Reader in U.S. Women's History (Third Edition)


The Undercover Economist: Exposing Why the Rich Are Rich, the Poor Are Poor And Why You Can Never Buy a Decent Used Car!


The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived the Great American Dust Bowl
by Timothy Egan


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Journalistas: 100 Years of the Best Writing and Reporting by Women Journalists by Eleanor Mills * NYT review


Bury Me Standing: the Gypsies & Their Journey


1491: New Revelations of the Americas before Columbus



Brokeback Mountain
by Annie Proulx
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Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World by Noam Chomsky (Power & Terror: Post 9-11 Talks)


The Price of Privilege:

How Parental Pressure and
Material Advantage Are Creating a Generation of
Disconnected and Unhappy Kids

by Madeline Levine


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Alibris - Books You Thought You'd Never Find
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