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by Steven D
Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 03:36:27 PM EST

Gold prices up.

Crude oil prices up.

Stocks dropping like a rock down.

Foreclosures not slowing down. $700 Billion Dollars? Not enough, I guess. Maybe Plan A isn't such a great idea.

Saturday's $700 billion junk mortgage bailout is the largest and worst giveaway since a corrupt Congress gave land grants to the railroad barons a century and a half ago. If it goes through, it will shape the coming century by giving finance unprecedented power over debtors - homebuyers, industry, state and local government, and the federal government as well.

But what threatens to be even worse is the government's move to let the financial sector make even higher, unprecedented gains by working its way out of negative equity to "make taxpayers whole" by repaying the government's bailout by bleeding the economy at large. Anticipating congressional capitulation in this license to engage in predatory credit, the latest Sunday evening surprise is that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's own firm, Morgan Stanley, is to become bank holding company picking up the financial wreckage now that the government is covering the bad loans and investment gambles Wall Street has made. [...]

It is bad enough for the government to buy $700 billion of bad bank investments at prices that no private-sector investor has been willing to approach. This itself is an undeserved giveaway to the financial institutions that caused the problem by living recklessly in the short run. But making them - and indeed, helping them - pay back this gift with the aid of favorable tax and deregulatory policies will simply shift the cost off their shoulders onto those of bank depositors, credit-card users, mortgage borrowers and hapless pension-fund contributors to the money managers who have taken most of the current income in the form of commissions, salaries and bonuses to themselves. This will sharply add to the price of doing business in the United States, and specifically to the economy's debt overhead by the banks making even more predatory loans.

I wonder what Plan B is? Oh wait. Sorry, I forgot that this is the Bush administration we're talking about. Plan B is to make Plan A work. Well, with Senator Harry Reid in charge of the Senate, I'm sure they will get all the capitulation "help" they need from Democrats.

By the way, rather than bail out greedy, stupid bankers and security brokers, a real solution would address the problems of those millions of Americans facing foreclosure:

A plan that addresses root causes must:

Lift the ban on judicial loan modifications. Voluntary loan modifications are not working, as the as mounting crisis attests. Today homeowners are barred from applying for loan changes through the bankruptcy courts if the loan is on their one and only home. Bankruptcy courts provide an existing infrastructure for supervising court-ordered loan modifications and addressing the many hurdles that prevent voluntary modifications. Judicial modifications are the best solution for preventing foreclosures that will drag down the economy further. This provides a fair, targeted way to make a real impact without requiring any tax dollars.

Cap consumer loans at 36% interest. This stops abusive interest rates that push vulnerable families back even further, and it also protects responsible lenders from unfair competition from abusive payday lenders charging 400% interest. This action alone would save America's working middle class billions of dollars.

Myself, I support a temporary mortgage foreclosure moratorium on primary residences (a policy proposal which Al Franken has made a point of emphasis) for at least the next 12 months until legislation can be passed authorizing loan modifications to allow families to stay in their homes while still providing payments to lenders. Foreclosures too often end up as complete write-offs because in current market conditions the value of the properties has declined so dramatically that the holders of those securitized mortgage instruments will never recover their principal.

Sadly, the chances of anything remotely resembling this happening are slim to none, and as the saying goes, slim just left town.

Update [2008-9-22 16:36:17 by Steven D]: Deal or No Deal? Looks like Bush and the Treasury were leading the Democrats on to me folks. What a surprise.

The negotiations over a $700 billion Wall Street bailout plan took a new turn when the Treasury disputed a claim by a key Democrat that it had agreed to changes in the rescue proposal.

Barney Frank, chairman of the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee, told CNBC that the Bush administration has accepted changes to its bailout plan that would give the government a stake in institutions unloading assets under the plan.



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I say make Hank Paulson and co go down to the county welfare office and stand in line like everyone else.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 03:44:06 PM EST
Yes.  And sell tickets so that we can watch.  For a premium, let us buy a ticket that grants us the privilege of hurling rotten fruit at his mug.  And perhaps add a pay-per-view channel for folks who can't attend the live show.

Have him repeat the performance daily.  All proceeds go to offset the massive amount of debt that we're piling up for future generations.  (And just wait until our kids and grandkids get the bill for the Iraq War reparations - they're not going to be happy with us at all...)

by nonynony on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 03:53:21 PM EST
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actually, a good short film would detail the hoops you have to jump through to get a welfare check, an then compare it to the largesse our Banking Class is about to enjoy at our expense.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 05:01:32 PM EST
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Harry Reid's official line (via his staff):

"We are prepared to do what is necessary to avoid these unacceptable consequences -- but we will not let haste abandon good judgment in the process.  The Bush Administration has called on Congress to rubber stamp its bailout legislation without serious debate or efforts to improve it.  That will not happen.

"The legislation sent to Congress by the Treasury Department recognizes the scope of the crisis the Bush Administration created, a view that we share with Secretary Paulson.  But the Bush Administration's bill is a starting point; by no means the final product.

"Democrats believe that there should be protection for the taxpayers who are footing the bill for this legislation.  That begins with more oversight, more transparency, more accountability and more controls to prevent conflicts of interest.

"Democrats believe that there should be limits on compensation for executives of companies who benefit from this legislation so that the American people don't see their tax dollars spent on exorbitant corporate pay and golden parachutes.  The American people earn their pay through honest hard work, and so should CEOs.

"Democrats believe that in exchange for shouldering the enormous burden of the Bush plan, taxpayers should reap any future economic rewards.  That means this plan should not permit taxpayer money to purchase an asset at an inflated price exclusively for the benefit of private shareholders.

"Democrats believe that this legislation affects not just the American economy but the global economy, and we will call upon other nations to do their part.

"We believe that this legislation should provide aid for Americans at risk of losing their homes to foreclosure.  As the law currently stands, the wealthiest Americans can seek mortgage assistance from a bankruptcy judge to help keep their second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth or even seventh home - but working families cannot seek mortgage relief from a bankruptcy judge for their first and only home -- their primary residence.  That makes no sense and we should change it.  Bankruptcy courts should have the authority to reach mutually beneficial arrangements to allow families to keep their homes and prevent more foreclosures.

and

"Democrats in Congress fully understand the severity of the situation and the need to pass legislation.  But we are not willing to give President Bush a blank check.  We are now seeing eight years of reckless Bush economic policies come crashing down with unimaginable speed and severity.

by BooMan on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 03:53:39 PM EST
by Steven D on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:00:11 PM EST
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I contacted them because of reports from readers here this morning.  They said they have no idea where those accounts are coming from, they can't vouch for them, and that what they sent me was their official line.
by BooMan on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:16:42 PM EST
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I can tell you where those reports were coming from - an unprepared staffer working the phones when the office opened at 8am.  I know because I had a lovely chat with her and she wasn't quite sure what was going on but she "knew" that Sen. Reid was supporting the bail out "as written" at the moment.

You'd think that these guys would prepare their staff a little better.  Personally, I suspect that Reid has changed his mind a little bit over the course of the day as he heard just how unpopular this was across the ideological spectrum.  But maybe he had reservations all along and just didn't share them very well with his poor staffers who had to answer the phones...

by nonynony on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:46:31 PM EST
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Don't be too hard on them. Usually, everyone is briefed on how to answer calls on controversial subjects, and the calls are tracked to get a sense of where constituents are.

But this issue is unlike anything I've ever seen, and events are moving so quickly...I can totally understand if something gets missed, or if things change. It seemed like everyone was on board w/ this bailout until the details leaked out. They may not have been able to inform the staff assistants that early in the morning, especially since there are just a few staff members w/ responsibility in each issue area, working all weekend, who would have to update the member, the CoS and the press staff first.

Presumptuous is the new uppity.

by AP on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 10:58:13 PM EST
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It seemed like everyone was on board w/ this bailout until the details leaked out.

Yeah - I'm getting that impression as well.

I don't know who leaked the details, but more power to 'em.  I think they might have turned a potential car wreck into a 5 MPH collision by doing it.  If it had been kept under wraps, there's a good chance that the leadership might have just bullied this through by the end of the week, with no chance for anyone to register some complaints.

by nonynony on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 11:39:24 PM EST
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Thank goodness! I think folks thought this administration would actually try to do the right thing, and simply respond to the crisis w/o the power grab, but again, we were wrong. And this time, no one can be stupid to just go along w/ the administration's BS when it is laid bare.

But I don't think folks thought on Friday afternoon that they'd be seeing such a plan on Sunday night/Monday morning, I really don't.

Presumptuous is the new uppity.

by AP on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 11:50:17 PM EST
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according to barney frank:

Administration accepts lawmakers' demands for mortgage aid, oversight in $700 billion bailout

A key Democrat negotiating a $700 billion financial bailout says the Bush administration has agreed to include mortgage aid and strong congressional oversight in the plan.

...

A government official with knowledge of the talks also said the administration has agreed to create a plan to help prevent foreclosures on mortgages it acquires as part of the bailout.

but not enough.  see  the nation:

...More important, if the taxpayers are compelled to refinance the villains in this drama, then Americans at large are entitled to equivalent treatment in their crisis. That means the suspension of home foreclosures and personal bankruptcies for debt-soaked families during the duration of this crisis. The debtors will not escape injury and loss--their situation is too dire--but they deserve equal protection from government, the chance to work out things gradually over some years on reasonable terms...


the revolution will not be televised...Peace
by dada on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:00:13 PM EST
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  If more people have money its better for everyone. The plan is a no go (and will not work) unless the masses get a break.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:31:05 PM EST
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l totally agree...the only people these proposals work for is the banksters.

what should be part of theis "deal", if there is to be one, is the restructuring of corporate taxes, including closing the loopholes of off-shoring profits, etc, to avoid taxes; taxpayer representaion on the boards of all companies and corporations that avail themselves of fed assistance; earmarking of profits of said companies and corporations for the repayment, with interest; restructing the individual tax code to move the remove the burden that's been levied on the middle class and get the haves and have more's paying their share; and oversight with real teeth and serious penalities.

the onus is on the demoRATs to do this right, because, given the machinations of BushC0™ and a compliant congress for the past 7 1/2 years...actually longer...l can't help but wonder if this whole crisis was manipulated to occur now.

 are they up to it? l seriously doubt it.

but l'm a cynic and born again skeptic.

the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:59:31 PM EST
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.

'Well, with Senator Harry Reid in charge of the Senate, I'm sure they will get all the capitulation "help" they need from Democrats.".

Go take a look. The Dems won't be railroaded. And GOP are saying the same:

Dodd's plan needs a read at link below

via Thinkprogress

Dodd says

Financial crisis is not a 'natural disaster like Gustav Hurricane

Today in an interview with NPR, Senate Banking Committee chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) sharply criticized the Bush administration for demanding $700 billion with no accountability, noting that no accountability largely led to this financial crisis in the first place:

    I spent quite a bit of time last night with my colleague from Alabama, Sen. Shelby, who is the ranking Republican on the banking committee. I ran into Mel Martinez of Florida, the Republican senator from that start. I've talked to others here. This isn't just Democrats. This isn't a natural disaster like the Gustav hurricane. This is a man-made, avoidable, preventable problem -- and a lack of oversight and accountability was one of the problems.

Krugman gives Dodd's plan  thumbs up

The text of Dodd's plan in .PDF

tremendously complex. More details needed. Just postponing the inevitable.

Dow closes 377 points down.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:02:22 PM EST
I remember Dodd was supposed to stop the FISA amnesty for Telecoms bill, too.  How did that work out for him?

I'm sorry, but I'm of the "Show me" variety of Democrat at this point.  When they refuse to back down in the face of Bush's veto threats and Paulson's dire warnings, ignore all the folderol in the media about Democrats risking the total meltdown of the economy if they don't give Bush exactly what he wants, and call Bush and the Senate Republicans' bluffs, then I'll believe.  Not until then.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:08:43 PM EST
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The Dodd plan is a start and preferable to Paulson's plan, but it's still not hardly enough.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.
by Zandar1 on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 05:05:32 PM EST
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Btw. Good going there.

On FISA, Dems were up against GOP and Bush. This time Bush and his cronies, fat cats are over a barrel. there has to be give and take.

The markets voted today - down 380 points.  And that counts.  U.S. creditors will not continue to finance our daily needs if we continue to give trillion dollar blank checks in bailouts of toxic debt without accountability, oversight or court review.

That's irresponsible and soon they'll take away our checkbook.  So the Dems and GOP are not just talking. So far on the Paulson plan, Wall Street and Economists are weighing in on the negative- no protection for the homeowner and the plan won't work. According to Rep. Frank, Paulson is already giving the nod to changes"

Treasury agrees equity stake in bailout:Frank

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration has accepted changes to its $700 billion Wall Street bailout plan that would give the government a stake in institutions unloading assets under the plan, the chairman of the House of Representatives Financial Services Committee said on Monday.

The administration also has agreed that the plan should include more efforts to prevent home foreclosures and that an oversight board should be created to monitor the bailout, said Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Barney Frank.

"We got a lot of advice from people in the financial community that (Treasury) should also be able to take some equity and we agreed, and the secretary's agreed with that," Frank told reporters at a briefing.

"We also made it clear that if he takes that equity, it has to be with warrants," he said.

On reducing foreclosures, Frank said, "The foreclosure piece is agreed on. There was Republican congressional opposition but the administration accepted it.

(emphasis added)

It'll take years to see results. Not just Dems, all sane persons know the $700 billion is a down payment. It's a multiple - trillion price tag and there has to be accountability.


Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 05:12:00 PM EST
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Ohio enacted a payday loan measure just like that.  the industry is threatening to leave the state and take 6,000 jobs with them unless the law is overturned.  They have lied and cheated to get the measure on a confusing ballot measure where a yes vote keeps the law enacted in September capping it at 28% and the no vote sets the interest rate back to 391%.

The industry has already said they will close up shop and put 6,000 people out of work by the end of the year if the law stays on the books.

On the other hand, 391% interest rates have wrecked far more lives in Ohio.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:02:36 PM EST
by Steven D on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:10:16 PM EST
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take 6,000 jobs  

Indeed they are bluffing:  

These are jobs they are going to cut anyway.  

Corporations always spin like this.  

All lies.  

by Gaianne on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:30:12 PM EST
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Who?  The payday lenders that Zander was talking about?

Well, yeah, they're bluffing to a degree, but the bluff is centered around a kernel of truth.  Because they will have to change their business model if the law as enacted hold up.  A law, by the way, that was enacted in what is one of the most bi-partisan coalitions I've ever seen in the State of Ohio.  I think there was a total of 3 Senators and a handful of Assemblymen who voted against it (all Republicans, IIRC, including the guy running against Kilroy for the odious Deborah Pryce's House seat in a few weeks).

Their business model centers on collecting roughly 400% interest on payday advances on some portion of their customers.  Cutting that back to a reasonable level is OF COURSE going to kill some jobs because it's not as profitable anymore.  That doesn't mean it's a bad idea to force them to charge lower interest rates, though.  I mean, the fact that it's illegal to break into people's houses and steal their TV's, computers, silverware, and other goods kills some possibly lucrative jobs in the "item acquisition" field, but I don't see people clamoring to legalize burglary anytime in the near future...

by nonynony on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:51:54 PM EST
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where she described events as Shock Doctrine/Disaster Capitalism applied to the US.  

She is merely correct.  

Americans have still not figured this out.  The US is going to go all the way to the bottom.  

Worse than Weimar.  

Make what preparations you can.  What you thought was a safety net is a closely-spaced array of pungee stakes.  

by Gaianne on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 04:34:40 PM EST
I've read several diaries where people have pretty good ideas on how to get out of this mess.  I'm no genius of course, but why can't the people running this  country figure it out if our bloggers can? just asking.
by judiper on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 05:17:02 PM EST
I'm willing to bet remarkably few of the folks here at the Frog Pond are taking Wall Street lobbyist cash.

Unlike Congress.  They can figure it out.  But doing so is going to directly affect the bottom line of, well, Wall Street's bottom line and the corporations that run this country.

There's a reason why Hank Paulson wants zero oversight and virtually unlimited cash...nobody asks for a financial dictaorship if they don't believe they are going to have to use that power.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 07:13:18 PM EST
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