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Obama's Poll Lead

by BooMan
Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:14:11 PM EST

Obama has the biggest lead ever in the national tracking polls. He's at 50% in three out of four. There are three obvious reasons for this. The economic meltdown helps because people trust Obama more on the economy. Secondly, Obama won the first debate. But the number one reason that Obama is moving ahead is that Sarah Palin is a numbskull.



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  1. She illegally announced support for a side on a ballot initiative. State officials are not allowed to indicate their support of one side or the other

  2. While mayor, she had the zoning classification of her house changed to allow the house to sell more easily.

Now, I will tell you that people might feel one way or another about shooting wolves from planes, or about using the state police to get revenge on a scumbag.

But when you fiddle with the zoning code using your influence as mayor, that is gonna get to people where they really live - she got an unfair advantage in selling her house.  THAT SERIOUSLY PISSES ME OFF.

by dataguy on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:34:11 PM EST
I still say the wolf thing is overall the most effective. That ad from Defenders of Wildlife is really gut wrenching to anyone with any degree of empathy, and for animal lovers it is horrific. And the focus groups they have done have shown it to be THE most effective ad of the campaign, period. It pisses people off big time that she not only enjoys, but promotes that kind of brutal, sadistic activity.

Not to say that the house thing is not very serious. In fact, isn't that - like - illegal or something?

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:38:42 PM EST
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EVERY action that toxic asshole Palin does is illegal. What has she done that is LEGAL?
by dataguy on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 06:02:57 AM EST
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Come on! This is no time to get so carried away we talk nonsense. Of course every action she takes is not illegal. In fact, I suggest that most actions she takes are entirely legal.

Let's try to maintain our equilibrium here.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:23:51 AM EST
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Had her earlier statements been acknowledged as mistakes in her responses to Katie Couric's questions, it is likely that she would be in far better position now.  But such an admission is apparently impossible for Republicans.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:50:34 PM EST
Her responses to Katy Couric's questions were not "mistakes", they were too incoherent to be called mistakes.

You know, an old friend of mine from Rawanduz who fluently speaks, reads and writes five languages (that I can think of right now) listened over and over and over again to one of her responses in that interview, finally trying to analyze it phrase by phrase, word by word (I can't say sentence by sentence since there were few if any actual sentences in it), and finally turned to me and said "Can you tell me what she said? I must confess that no matter how I try I cannot construct any meaning from what I am hearing". How can you call it a mistake when it is just an incoherent word salad with no actual discernable meaning?

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:04:14 PM EST
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No, I meant that she should have indicated her Russia/Alaska proximity statements to have been mistakes of some kind, phrasing or otherwise.  Had she embraced those earlier statements as mistakes she would not likely be suffering as she is now.  But Repugs never look back reflectively.  It's always about forging/blundering ahead, the past be damned.  

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:34:55 PM EST
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OK, I understand what you are saying.

It has been clear for weeks that the ludicrous bit about international expertise based on proximity to Russia was an official campaign talking point (what utter dolt dreamed THAT one up?!). I first heard it from Cindy, after which it was repeated by McCain and Sarah a couple of times. I suppose when Couric asked her to justify it she COULD have said "Aw, gee, Katy, we were just funnin' ya", in that cutesy-adorable manner she assumes whenever she has been cornered, and who knows, maybe that would have worked.

I am still not sure this is all not a very weird dream. It is just surreal that American electoral politics has come to this!

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:34:01 PM EST
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No disrespect to you, Hurria, but American electoral politics gave the world Ronnie Ray-gun and George W - both of them twice!
by canberra boy (canberraboy1 at gmail dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 09:32:25 AM EST
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Yes, but a majority of people believed then and believe now that Reagan did a good job. As for George W, that was bad enough, but Palin is beyond bad. She actually makes Bush look intelligent, competent, and articulate at times.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:27:13 AM EST
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The sheer horror of her keeping her TP notes to use in a time of crisis when McCain is incapacitated and parrot them back to her cabinet and the American people is the first thing I've seen in 8 years to make Bush look coherent by comparison.


by mainsailset on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:26:30 AM EST
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This upcoming week is going to be...um interesting to say the least. To get to the Thursday night debate, we have to somehow survive the bailout vote on Monday. The potential fallout from that vote is extremely hard to predict at this point. Once we get to the debate, expectations of Palin's performance are extremely low, so the possibility of her doing better than expected is very real. Throw in one of Joe's foot in mouth comments and the spin doctors can make a case that she held her own. What that would do to the overall picture, I can't predict. I'm just wary of calling McCain/ Palin dead yet. The SNL clip was priceless though. :-)

We need to push for Progressive change, now more than ever.
by keepinon (jaukkuri@sbcglobal.net) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:00:07 PM EST
Well, a lot of pretty sophisticated people, including quite a few on our side called Friday's debate a draw, but apparently the voters saw it a bit differently, so not sure how much it matters what the spin doctors say.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:09:56 PM EST
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I recorded the David Letterman show when Obama was on it a few weeks ago, and finally today had a chance to really sit down and watch it. You  know, I have never understood this business of people saying he is too aloof. I have never found him to be particularly aloof. On the contrary, I have perceived him to be quite approachable, open, reachable, and genuine. Bush, on the other hand who is supposed to be so engaging and personable, gives me the sense that his down home, aw shucks, guy-you-would-like-to-drink-abeer-with shtick is pure facade, and that he would just be looking for the next hand to shake. As for McCain, I always felt he would just smile absently and pat me on the head while he looked for someone worth talking to. And Palin is all facade and no building. There is no "there" there.

I always got the sense from Obama that if I were talking to him he would be focused on me and engaged, and genuinely responding. And what I saw on Letterman was an accessible, open, engaging, engaged, responsive, likable person, and one who was capable of laughing at himself. I did not see someone who was distant or aloof at all, nor did I see an arrogant person (unlike what I see with Bush, McCain, or Palin) and I think that is his real personality, not an artificial facade.

So, can someone tell me where this reputation comes from that he is aloof, because I have never seen it myself.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:26:48 PM EST
   I agree and his ability to laugh when others might take offense. He is a smart and personable man who we can trust to do the right thing. At least I hope so, I'm really looking for a leader I can trust of late. They are hard to find.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:36:49 PM EST
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"He is a smart and personable man"

I can whole heartedly agree there. He also has dignity and grace, and is extremely well spoken, which are qualities we have not seen in the White House for a very long time.

"who we can trust to do the right thing."

Now you have gone too far. Don't forget that he is also a politician.

One area in which I expect him to do absolutely the WRONG thing is in foreign policy, particularly to do with Iraq, Iran, Israel, Afghanistan, and Pakistan - and probably Russia as well. His intentions in that area started out all wrong, and have gotten nothing but worse.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:38:56 PM EST
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....Palestine and Cuba. The country is so completely paranoid he will have to be God's gift to humanity to change the way we think about foreign policy. Keep in mind his mind may be free but simple statements such as I'd like to see restraint on both sides are used against him by McCain and the noise machine. I can only hope sanity will creep back into our foreign policy under Obama's leadership. There is no other real choice.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:30:27 PM EST
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I don't think Obama will bring Sanity to this country's foreign policy except, hopefully, in terms of mending relations with European allies. He does not seem to understand the Middle East, Africa, and the Muslim World at all, and his great "foreign policy expert" Biden is even worse because he thinks he understands and he is considered to be some kind of authority.  
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:36:59 PM EST
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   The chances of sanity are slim considering the economic crisis. The U.S. is about to slip off the world stage in a big way. Our legacy will be one of preemptive hate and hubris. I (we) can only hope O'bama's perspective will be more rational. But we are not going to be much of a player. Our government and our economic system are dead broke.
   

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 12:21:31 AM EST
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"The U.S. is about to slip off the world stage in a big way...We are not going to be much of a player."

And that is the upside of this mess. Maybe now the U.S. will be forced to become a normal country, and there will evolve a multipolar world.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 12:44:00 AM EST
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For those who do not understand how Barack Obama can turn people off regardless of his openness and affability:

#1-He's black. America is and has been a racist country. It has come about 15% of the way towards not bering a racist country. If that. An open, affable black person is a confident black person to a white racist. Which Obama certainly is. Confident, that is. And a confident black person is a threat to white racists. Black people should be servile and frightened as far as they are concerned. Anything else is totally unacceptable.

#2-There is substantial overlay between the previous group and the one that follows, but here it is anyway.

There are HUGE numbers of people in this country who are not open and affable, and most of them look upon friendly, relaxed, confident people as the enemy.

Sorry, but there it is.

Bush on the other hand, is just like these people. Closed, defensive, confused and hostile to "the other".

Wouldja looka there, Agnes!!! That Preznit Bush fella is JUST LIKE US!!! An' so's that war hero guy, McCain. I don't keer fer that Obama feller, m'self. He's too smart by half!!!

Yup...

There it is.

See ya somewhere.

Later...

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 01:21:16 AM EST
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All well and good, but that does not explain how so many people can perceive an open, affable person of any colour or gender as "aloof", so you really haven't answered the question.

Been taking lessons from Sarah, have you? ;o}

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 02:06:22 AM EST
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C'mon, Hurria.

You're smarter than that.

Aloof means "above". Higher than. Uppity.

Obama refuses to lower himself to the level of a large part of the electorate. As a result that group of people dislikes him. They shift their envy and fear of him from the real reason to a more "acceptable" one.

He acts like he's too good for us
.

And...sadly...they are right. He is too good for them. Some 48%+ of the electorate will end up voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. Just as they did for the Bush/Cheney ticket. Twice.

Amerika.

Love it or deal with it.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 08:47:50 AM EST
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Arthur Gilroy, you have the unfortunate habit of talking down in the most condescending way to people you have no business talking down or condescending to. It is one of the things that sometimes make your comments unreadable. Kindly reserve that treatment for your inferiors.

And no, that is NOT what aloof means. Aloof means distant, apart, reserved, reticent, unreachable. It has nothing to do with "uppity", or "higher than" which are completely separate concepts. Furthermore, people who are open and affable are by definition not aloof (or uppity or higher than, for that matter) since affable is the exact antithesis of aloof, or uppity or higher than.

Try again, please, and this time kindly do not address me as if I were a ten year old underachieving student of yours.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:42:00 AM EST
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But if you are going to use dictionary definitions in an idiomatic discussion then gears must be switched.

Aloof:

1-: removed or distant either physically or emotionally (Merriam Webster)

Removed and distant. "Higher than" IS distant. Someone who is distant from another in a negative sense...say a slave in comparison to a master or an uneducated person compared to a highly educated one...would hardly be referred to as "aloof".

They see Obama as somehow above them. Quite accurately. But instead of aspiring to his level, they brand him aloof and dislike him.

Lord!!! Where have you been living?

This is mainstream human behavior.

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 12:51:50 PM EST
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You are really, really stretching, Arthur.

I am not using any "dictionary definitions", I am using the meaning and sense of the words as generally understood.

Aloof does not in any way mean above. It conveys a sense of coolness, of distance, and inaccessibility, and being closed off, not relative height. A person who is aloof is not warm, is not open, does not reach out to others, and projects a sense that if one reaches out to him he will not receive the contact. A person who is open and affable is the exact antithesis of a person who is aloof. He is warm, and he is open, he is accessible. He reaches out, and when someone reaches to him, he reaches back. Therefore, Obama cannot be both aloof and and warm and accessible. It is impossible to be both.

And yes, a person of lower station can indeed be aloof, and they often are, without in any way appearing to be "above" their superiors. Anyone who has had servants or other types of subordinates has experienced that.

So, you are still not addressing the question of how such a warm, affable man can be seen as aloof by so many people. I can see how racist people might see someone like Obama, as "uppity" or arrogant for rising above what they consider to be his "station", but those are very different concepts from aloof.

I find Obama to be open, warm, accessible, personable, non-arrogant, and respectful. He seems very likeable and down-to-earth to me. And I say that as someone who is not and never has been a supporter of his.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 02:56:06 PM EST
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I mistakenly  hit the post button before I was through with the above reply.

To continue:

If you cannot see how some people...MANY people...could consider someone 'aloof" who uses language as precisely and eloquently as does Senator Obama and pauses (as he parses) his statements with such efficiency and effect, then I fear that you simply do not get out and around very much.

Where do you live? Do you manage to go into working class stores or gatherings much? Try doing an Obama impersonation next time you speak to a WalMart sales clerk, a pick and shovel worker on the street or some tough denizen of say a country music/pool hall kind of bar. Do your best to sound like a VERY highly educated Harvard graduate and see the automatic hostility that is almost guaranteed to glint from the eyes of your conversation mate.

Obama lacks the common touch, Hurria, and that lack alone is liable to lose him this election.

Clinton had it, and so did JFK and RFK.

So it goes.

AG

P.S. I am NOT "talking down" to you. You make the same mistake with me as do the people about whom we are talking with Obama. This is quite understandable to me. I share some of his weaknesses.

Plus...I am not a politician and thus I feel free to be perfectly frank with people.

You don't like it?

Unlike Barack Obama, I can one way or another say "Tough shit" without fear of losing an election.

And I do.

Regularly.

You don't like it?

(You know what I'm going to say...)

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 01:15:18 PM EST
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"Obama lacks the common touch, Hurria..."

I could not disagree more, Arthur.

"I am NOT "talking down" to you."

Oh, yes, you were. When you say to someone "come on, you are smarter than that", you are talking down, particularly when you say it to someone who is AT LEAST your equal.

"You make the same mistake with me as do the people about whom we are talking with Obama. This is quite understandable to me. I share some of his weaknesses."

Don't flatter yourself.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:00:00 PM EST
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While referencing some of my weaknesses?

Nice.

Y'know what, Hurria?

You don't make a whole lot of sense, and I am through wasting time with you.

Sorry...go play in another sandbox.

AG

Goodness had nothing to do with it, dearie.-Mae West

by Arthur Gilroy (arthurgilroy<at>earthlink.net) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:05:37 PM EST
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The fact that you are unable to understand someone does not mean they are not making sense, Arthur.

One "fault" you do not share with Obama is humility.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:41:02 PM EST
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Aloof and elitist = uppity

Don't you read code?

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."

by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:17:05 AM EST
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Can we vote tomorrow already?
by eagleye on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:31:33 PM EST
Is it even possible that she can be replaced on the ticket and McCain doesn't suffer more?

It would be unprecedented and you'd have to be an idiot of unknown magnitude to believe any bs story of her exit.  They obviously can't say the obvious - McCain would look like the buffoon he is. So what next?

They have to slog through, especially after the debate.  They must be working OT to get her ready for Thursday - it really is his last chance.

by granitestater on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:29:46 PM EST
I think McCain is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. There is no question Palin is hurting him and will continue to do so, unless they can do a brain transplant between now and the debate. However, if he dumped Palin that is likely to piss off another set of people. Hopefully McCain is screwed no matter what he does.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:41:54 PM EST
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I just don't see how Palin makes it through the week.

Obama is at the tipping point right now.  He has a clear lead.  A disastrous Palin debate...and at this juncture we must assume that it will be nothing short of a disaster...will break him over the 55%+ mark and a landslide electoral win.

I do not see how McSame can recover with 5 weeks left and Obama's strongest debates coming.

This election could be over by this time next week.

Either it's the end of Palin, or the end of McSame in a few days.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:44:05 PM EST
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One thing we are overlooking is the bailout package.  Look for McCain to come out hard against it late tomorrow or Tuesday.  

He has nothing left for issues and this could prove beneficial for him.  This is an incredibly unpopular initiative - and not just among the infants on the intertubes.  McCain could leverage this bill into a "taxpayer's revolt."  It may be too late, but what else is there?

I watched Paulson on 60 mins and he was pathetic.  These guys must know something we don't know, but they're doing a terrible job of selling it.  That, combined with some fairly reasonable economists calling BS, and it doesn't take a vivid imagination to see some voter anger across the country.

Watch to see if McCain hitches his horse to this wagon for the last month.  It scares me.

by granitestater on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:16:03 PM EST
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I agree that McCain is likely to come out against the bail-out, and if he can keep his brain un-addled long enough to keep his story straight, he can make a good case for himself.  I read to day in the NYT that Kenneth Rogoff is one of his economist advisors.  Rogoff understands the bail-out issues as well as anyone on earth: he's an ex-grandmaster in chess,and you almost have to be to think your way through this stuff.  So I wouldn't count McCain out yet, though the odds of his understanding anything Rogoff might tell him that makes sense are pretty close to zilch.

I also expect that Obama's people have gamed this move out, and are ready for it.  

Knut

by Knut Wicksell (b_didnn@hotmail.ca) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:55:43 PM EST
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Yeah, not a maverick as much as an opportunist.

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; now we know that it is bad economics;" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by Salunga on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:28:23 PM EST
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I already saw a GOP.com commercial for McCain tonight, in NC, blaming Obama for the bail-out and describing how he would raises taxes on everyone -- that's you tv viewer, YOU -- to pay for it. So I'd say it's a done-deal that he's going to vote against it and claim to be supporting the best interests of the people. Why does his campaign always jump the gun? McCain hasn't even voted yet!
by sjct on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:35:53 PM EST
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every time a vp candidate has been replaced, it's been during a convention, and it usually results in defeat at the polls.

via npr archives:

...Less frequent is the occasion of a president switching running mates. In 1864, Abraham Lincoln saw nothing to be gained by running again with Vice President Hannibal Hamlin, and so the Republican convention that year decided instead upon Andrew Johnson, a Democrat. Schuyler Colfax, vice president under Ulysses Grant, was implicated in a scandal and was replaced at the 1872 GOP convention by Sen. Henry Hendricks of Indiana as his running mate. After Hendricks died in 1885, Cleveland ran for re-election in 1888 with 75-year-old former Sen. Allen Thurman of Ohio. They lost to Republicans Benjamin Harrison and Levi Morton. Four years later, Morton was replaced on the GOP ticket at the convention by Whitelaw Reid, the former editor of the New York Herald Tribune. (For his part, Cleveland came back in 1892 with still another running mate, Adlai E. Stevenson -- father of the 1952 and '56 Democratic presidential nominee.)

President William McKinley's number two, Garret Hobart, died in 1899, and in 1900 the Republican convention named New York Gov. Theodore Roosevelt in his stead. William Howard Taft was elected in 1908 along with James Sherman. Just days before the election in 1912, Sherman died and was replaced on the ticket by Nicholas Butler.

At the 1940 Democratic convention, Vice President John Nance Garner challenged President Franklin D. Roosevelt's bid for a third term; FDR, in turn, named his secretary of agriculture, Henry Wallace, as his new running mate. Roosevelt's role in the dumping of Wallace at the 1944 convention is still murky, but it seems clear that he was not especially keen on running again with Wallace, who was seen as too liberal for many in the party and outwardly hostile to Southern conservatives. Though Wallace fought for his job, he was replaced at the convention by Missouri Sen. Harry Truman. Less than a year later, FDR was dead.

A most unusual situation occurred in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal. In 1972, Republicans Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew were re-elected. A year later, Agnew -- involved in a scandal of his own -- resigned the vice presidency, and Nixon, utilizing the 25th Amendment for the first time, named Gerald Ford as his new VP. Within months, as his role in Watergate led to calls for his impeachment, Nixon also resigned, elevating Ford to the presidency. Ford then named Nelson Rockefeller as his vice president; it was the first time the nation had an unelected president and vice president. But under pressure from conservatives, who never forgave Rocky for his feud with Barry Goldwater in 1964, Ford announced he would not run with Rockefeller on the ticket. Instead, Ford named Kansas Sen. Bob Dole as his running mate for the 1976 election...

mcstain is certainly not lincoln, ergo, she's an dead albatross...or moose if you prefer...around his neck.

barring any significant upheavals, this election could very well be approaching the point of no return for the flyboy.

they've blown it. good riddance.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:02:01 PM EST
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I am not ready to exhale yet, dada, and I recommend that we should not get over confident, though I admit that I am feeling much less tense now than I was a week or two ago.

Friday one of my colleagues that I work very closely with reminded me of how completely freaked out I was in the week before and after the RNC. Don't know how much longer I could have sustained that without needing to be locked away, and hope I never have to go THERE again!

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:07:44 PM EST
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I am not ready to exhale yet...

l hope you look good in blue.

all joking aside, it's not over until nov 4.

l spent the afternoon canvassing, and it was very positive. met virtually no hard line RATpubs, those who self identified as RATs were, almost exclusively, disgusted w/ macstain over the palin debacle.

signed up some new voters who are definitely obama leaning, but it's a college town.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:16:38 PM EST
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"l hope you look good in blue."

Depends on the shade.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:28:36 PM EST
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dead moose is heavier Dada. At least 1,000 - 1500 lbs.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:42:51 PM EST
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Thomas Eagleton made it out of the convention as McGovern's running mate in '72, but he didn't last amid reports that he was being treated for severe depression. He was replaced by Sargent Shriver.

I don't really remember how much damage this did to the McGovern campaign, but it certainly didn't do them any good.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:51:52 PM EST
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I noticed that too. He's always the first example that comes to my mind. I loved that BooMan called the recent Palin dumpwatch threads the "Eagleton Watch."

mbr + dv + woyg
by keirdubois (keir@mybandrocks.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:58:37 PM EST
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They can't get rid of Sarah now.  McCain is ill...

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."
by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:39:33 PM EST
  1. What solid evidence do you have that McCain is ill?

  2. Let's say McCain IS ill. So, how does that lead to they can't get rid of Sarah? In fact, if McCain is ill, they had damned well better get rid of Sarah and find someone remotely credible to take her place!
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:46:01 PM EST
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Nothing solid yet - except his appearance today which has led to some speculation.  Its too late to change the ticket anyway - nominations have to be in 60 days in advance of election ....

"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."
by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:50:55 PM EST
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"nominations have to be in 60 days in advance of election"

Hopefully they won't be able to find any loophole in that rule!

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:31:11 PM EST
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Do you have a reference for that rule? I'd like to see it, if only to mute the "they can replace Palin" talk elsewhere on the web.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:54:05 PM EST
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I think GOP electors in the electoral college would vote for a different candidate if McCain became incapacitated

http://www.gop.com//images/legal/2008_RULES_Adopted.pdf

RULE NO. 9
Filling Vacancies in Nominations
(a) The Republican National Committee is
hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all
vacancies which may occur by reason of death,
declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate
for President of the United States or the Republican
candidate for Vice President of the United States, as
nominated by the national convention, or the
Republican National Committee may reconvene the
national convention for the purpose of filling any such
vacancies.
(b) In voting under this rule, the Republican
National Committee members representing any state
shall be entitled to cast the same number of votes as
said state was entitled to cast at the national convention.
(c) In the event that the members of the
Republican National Committee from any state shall
not be in agreement in the casting of votes hereunder,
the votes of such state shall be divided equally,
including fractional votes, among the members of the
Republican National Committee present or voting by
proxy.
(d) No candidate shall be chosen to fill any
such vacancy except upon receiving a majority of the
votes entitled to be cast in the election.


"We reported back to hearts what we had seen, and told our footsteps all about where we had been."
by Frank Schnittger (Frankschnittger at hotmail dotty communists) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:24:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
... "we had to get rid of Palin, since John's illness means that we need a VP candidate who can go out and campaign."

No? Not convincing enough?


Energize America: Energy Security by 2020

by BruceMcF (agila61 AT netscape DOT net) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 08:51:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
what happens if he's too ill before Nov 4?

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:50:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What would happen if, God forbid, McCain were to take a dirt nap on the campaign trail? Other than throwing the GOP into total disarray, of course.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 10:55:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I believe that Palin would become the Presidential candidate, but I do not know that for certain. Surely there are plenty of people here who know the process better than I can confirm or correct that.
by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 11:17:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
John McCain may be suffering from acute stress.  What with his gambling at Indian casinos with known lobbyists and his apparent rough treatment of Cindy back in the late 1980's (http://www.counterpunch.org/) to say nothing of his poor polling results along with his performance on the bail out business and his looking like a real jerk on postponing the presidential debate added to the never ending pressure of when Sarah is going to really self destruct, it is a wonder that he hasn't suffered a complete break down yet. The old maverick may not even make it to the final shoot down in November. Pity, indeed.

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir
by Dongi 2 on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:09:44 PM EST
One day at a time.


Recommended by Hideo Kojima
by robertdsc on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 09:30:35 PM EST
.
McCain camp prays for Palin wedding

The marriage of the vice-presidential candidate's pregnant teenage daughter could lift a flagging campaign.

Inside John McCain's campaign the expectation is growing that there will be a popularity boosting pre-election wedding in Alaska between Bristol Palin, 17, and Levi Johnston, 18, her schoolmate and father of her baby. "It would be fantastic," said a McCain insider. "You would have every TV camera there. The entire country would be watching. It would shut down the race for a week."  

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:09:59 AM EST
Oui, I think the Republicans are delusional. Such a wedding will precipitate a national wave of disgust and revulsion at the hypocrisy of the Republican party. It will demolish them for not only this election but for several yet to come.

Viva Obama!

Suppose you scrub your ethical skin until it shines, but inside there is no music, then what? Kabir

by Dongi 2 on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 09:01:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Holy crap! Are the voters of this country really THAT shallow?!

Don't answer that.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:54:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
so right you are on all three points boooman.

as far as i'm concerned, it was all over as soon as Virginia went blue a few days ago.
and the final nail in the repukelican coffin was the first debate where obama convinced enough undecideds that he was indeed presidential material. he did good.

i'm now looking forward to there being 58-60 Democratic senators and a gain of 25-30 or more seats in the House.

there's no time to fix it all up for the republicans, it's way too far gone.
palin is a triple numbskull and will soon slink away to join the dan quayle hall of fame

by michael72 on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:00:47 AM EST


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