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I just wondered if anyone else noticed last night that whenever Laura bush said good things about McCain or Bush she was at the same time shaking her head no. She also did this when she said McCain will be next president if I recall correctly.

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by diane101 (dianed101 @ yahoo.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 09:53:47 PM EST

Serious Question (4.00 / 2)

after listening to Roody's ridiculous ass-reaming of Obama as never having "led anything". Has McCain ever led anything? Had any "executive experience"? To my knowledge he has not...

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:14:24 PM EST

Re: Serious Question (none / 0)

AH-- here he goes. 9/11. It was only a matter of time. I had started to wonder what was wrong...

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

by pateacher on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:17:50 PM EST
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Re: Serious Question (none / 0)

Yeah, that was so weird...I just tuned in to listen, and practically the first words I heard were "September 11".

by rae on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:19:38 PM EST
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Re: Serious Question (none / 0)

I flipped to baseball, I couldn't take the cackling any more.

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:20:19 PM EST
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The thing is...she has no idea that she is lying.

by rae on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:59:02 PM EST

Are you sure she doesn't?

I'm not sure what's worse, though - to have no idea you're lying, or to know it and do it anyway?

by conglomerNation on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:00:46 PM EST
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The GOP is shot through with liars that believe their own bull crap. I know, I've had to work with a ratpub majority for several years. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, as they say.

"I never trust people who don't laugh." Maya Angelou, March 5, 2009

by Indianadem on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:11:33 PM EST
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They are all whooping it up (4.00 / 2)

This is the sickest thing I've seen in a long, long time. I must turn it off. I am definitely going to have nightmares. Seriously.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

by pateacher on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:20:07 PM EST

Of course you'd put up an open threed right after I submit two comments on this:

Boos at the RNC

Color People Night at the RNC

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 08:14:36 PM EST

And I repeat (none / 1)

Our white people dance way better than their ~~party~~ white people. Sly and the Family Stone (Everyday People) and the Stray Cats (Rock this Town) couldn't keep beat on either song.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 08:39:18 PM EST

Woman Time at the RNC (none / 1)

Megan whatever (former eBay prez) and now Fiorina, this hour's focus must be on the ovaries.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 08:41:41 PM EST

Re: Woman Time at the RNC (none / 1)

yeah, it ain't obvious at all, is it?

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 08:42:40 PM EST
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Fiorina: "I am truly honored to say I know John McCain. I am proud to support him. As a woman I support him because I know he values the contribution of women to our families and our communities. He values the contribution of women to our economy and to the governing and protection of our nation."

Yeah, he values your contributions, he just doesn't think you deserve to get equal pay for them.

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 08:54:54 PM EST

I remember when Larry Johnson said he wanted Carly to head the CIA.

I popped in on NQ last night. They are thrilled with Palin.

by Cee on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:16:57 AM EST
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Prediction: (none / 0)

Palin Chokes

Mark Adams from Dispassionate Liberal

by Mark Adams (markwadams.esq@gmail.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 08:58:58 PM EST

Mitt the Shit (none / 0)

Hates those candy-ass libruls.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 09:13:21 PM EST

Cindy mcCain looks uneasy with sitting next to Bristol.

by americanforliberty on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 09:57:07 PM EST

Roody is really making me queasy. Gawd.

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:07:13 PM EST

nada..doesn't sound like English to me. No time for on the Job Training, Palin. Republicans are sinking their own ship.

by americanforliberty on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:12:26 PM EST
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Rudy is really nasty. Not only is he full of shit, but his self-satisfied cackle is exceedingly hard to deal with. But what about mocking the concept of a "community organizer"-- I don't even get it-- it's so offensive. Listen to the cackle!!! "Drill baby drill"!!! They have totally lost it.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

by pateacher on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:15:24 PM EST
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yeah, I like being personally insulted. Maybe Palin can mock the profession of educator.

by BooMan on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:18:57 PM EST
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billmon made an interesting point: (4.00 / 4)

community = ghetto in GOP codewords.

by Compound F on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:26:38 PM EST
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Re: billmon made an interesting point: (4.00 / 3)

that's actually pretty accurate. Obama didn't fit that mold exactly though because he was was working with steelworkers who came in all shapes, sizes, and races. But inner-city poor is where 'community organizers' like Obama focus. And we're proud of it.

by BooMan on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:29:07 PM EST
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we may be proud of it, (none / 1)

but it surely has different, derogatory evocations for Republicans.

by Compound F on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:32:08 PM EST
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nope she's not ready for Prime Time. Reminds me that really rich children don't serve, jenna and barbara bush, P.

by americanforliberty on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:36:22 PM EST

Palin (none / 0)

is an effective, well-trained, convincing speaker. We must not underestimate her, and I am confident that Biden will not. She will not be a patsy in the VP debate, that is clear.

by dataguy on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:53:35 PM EST

White people (none / 0)

is all they got. Old, young, fat (mostly), thin, but very very very white.

by dataguy on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:55:45 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

your right she should be able to stand-toe-to-toe with Joe Biden. No low expectations for her.

by americanforliberty on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:56:21 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

Well, you seem to assume that mastery of facts and actual experience and knowledge plays no role in being successful in a debate.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

by pateacher on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:58:45 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

no, i'm saying there should be no Low Expectations for her. I think Joe will make Sara wish she was back in Wasila.

by americanforliberty on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:03:37 PM EST
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She is not to be underestimated (none / 0)

That's the way you lose. She is a good speaker. She was a sports person on TV for a period.

by dataguy on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:31:55 PM EST
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We have the luxury of being able to underestimate (none / 1)

Sarah Palin. Joe Biden does not, nor hopefully will he.

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by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:26:44 AM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

Having debated Zionists for decades, I can tell you that mastery of facts, actual experience, and knowledge are not any more important that lying comfortably and using a lot of dirty tactics. I have always felt that having the facts on one's side will eventually lead to victory, but damn, it takes a long time to defeat the liars and the dirty players.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 02:11:52 AM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

An effective, intelligent speech, well-delivered, with a good sense of pacing.

by dataguy on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:27:17 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

I agree. Liberals hated it. But it was good. Dishonest. But good.

by BooMan on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:30:00 PM EST
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overwhelmed (none / 1)

by the toxic mood in the hall.

by ILuvChez17 on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:45:07 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

I don't know how you call that intelligent. Effective (to the base), yes. Well-delivered, yes.

Intelligent, no.

And honestly, I wasn't very impressed with her delivery. I found her sense of timing quite lacking - which is to be expected with so little practice. Just about anyone could have delivered those prepared remarks as well as she did.

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:50:27 PM EST
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Re: Palin (4.00 / 2)

After 8 years of George Mangle-the-language, why would Americans care if she's just as mediocre? After all, she's your neighbor!

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by Isis on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:52:38 PM EST
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She was on TV for a period (none / 0)

She is not to be despised. She is not the best, but I have heard much much worse.

by dataguy on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:56:35 PM EST
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Palin (none / 1)

I think this is a lost opportunity. As a female, she needed to come out and just be professional. As someone posted to twitter:

RNC - is this a speech or is Palin reading this year's family Christmas card to everyone?

I'm not going to touch the lies, because that's what the GOP does, but this speech didn't need to be catty. 9iu11iani already covered catty. She's not saying why she should be VP.

This is bizarre.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:00:49 PM EST

Re: Palin (4.00 / 2)

I guess she figured out what the veepee does all day...looks pretty while she reads the teleprompter in a cheery little voice.

I can't watch anymore. 3 hours of this crap and I'm ready to throw a brick through my teevee screen.

If they win, I'm moving to Italy.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:05:20 PM EST
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Re: Palin (none / 0)

Ugh. Just...ugh.

That was horrible.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:05:29 PM EST
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I don't mean to be overly dramatic here, but... I look at her and I see the concentration camps.

by rae on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:10:45 PM EST

for real?

by BooMan on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:24:44 PM EST
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Re: Convention Thread (4.00 / 5)

As I said, I'm being overly dramatic somewhat, but:

Religious Fanaticism + Absolute Conviction that you are right + No appreciation of your own ignorance or shortcomings + Demonization of Political Opponents + Militant Patriotism

What's that spell?

by rae on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:39:01 PM EST
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Bush?

by BooMan on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:45:01 PM EST
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:) :)

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by Isis on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:47:34 PM EST
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Yeah, true. But there's one thing...all the talk about Bush being religions is just crap...ultimately he isn't. But she's a true believer.

I guess that clip of her speaking in her church kinda freaked me out.

by rae on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:56:33 PM EST
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I'm not discounting your visceral reaction but I didn't share it.

She didn't creep me out at all. She mildly annoyed me.

by BooMan on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:13:47 AM EST
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One of the most depressing comments of the night. (Yours, that is.)

We felt sick listening to her. She represents close to the worst this country has to offer. She blatantly lied. She was nasty. She used her family as props. She got big cheers for suggesting that supposed terrorists shouldn't have rights. Which I took as code for torture is ok and only weak-kneed traitors would stand up for their rights. I agree that the ridicule of Obama's being a community worker was code for helping welfare recipients. Black welfare recipients.

by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:47:28 AM EST
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I'm used to it. The kids as props did make me ill. The rest of it? It's been that way all day everyday for at least six and a half years. It doesn't phase me and a lot of it is very effective.

by BooMan on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:01:14 AM EST
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Effective? Could you expand on what you mean by that?

by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:09:24 AM EST
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Expand on it?

Well, the politics of hate and fear and American pride and nationalism is all very effective in winning elections. And I look at these performances somewhat dispassionately in an effort to assess how well they may be working. Tonight was pretty good. Not great. But better than average.

by BooMan on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:30:40 AM EST
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Gotcha. I thought that was what you meant, but I wasn't certain.

by Heart of the Rockies on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:13:40 AM EST
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Your comment sums up my feelings very well. She is perfect for the Repubican ticket.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:02:39 AM EST
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RFACNDPOMP?

by foucaultfan on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:06:30 AM EST
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Huh?!

Come ON folks, don't use odd acronyms without defining them for us dummies.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 02:15:50 AM EST
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I was actually cringing at that myself, and wondering hat my dad would think of that if he were still around.

ick.

"Little people are very stuff-intensive."

by CabinGirl on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:38:08 AM EST
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I guess the thing that scares me the most about her is that she seems to have no idea that she is lying. In contrast, I always kind of thought that (say) George Bush kind of knew. That made him seem obnoxious, but it at least showed some self-awareness.

by rae on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:41:26 PM EST
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Oh, she knows. She's just good at making it seem as though she doesn't. How's that for triple entendre?

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins

by halo0 (philiott at gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:52:27 PM EST
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Yes, George Bush knows when he is lying - at least he knows part of the time. He totally telegraphs it with that obnoxious, smirky, nervous little heh heh heh when he knows he is lying.

As for her, it is quite possible that she really is convinced of what she is saying no matter how inconsistent it might be with reality, or even with what she said last week.

by Hurria (Muslawia@gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 02:25:48 AM EST
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It's an intuition. Right brain working. Not logical, but still, it comes from our humanity.

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by Isis on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:41:27 PM EST
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Yes, listening but really watching this woman, I got the feeling she thinks A Handmaid's Tale was a primer.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:19:43 AM EST
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Keith Olbermann said it right just now: "People who like this sort of thing... will find this the sort of thing they like." He attributes it to Abraham Lincoln. Great quote, and great delivery.

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

by pateacher on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:14:33 PM EST

OMFG (none / 0)

Look at this "entertainment"! Is it a joke?

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

by pateacher on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:16:10 PM EST

Low Blow, after Low Blow. Who is this woman? It is like they got some local TV anchor, hooked her up with some talking points and had her read a teleprompter. Is anyone believing this crap?

Blue Tidal Wave

by Mac G on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:17:28 PM EST

Um, they did (none / 0)

Get the local anchor that is.

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by fabooj (fabooj [at} mail [dot} com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:41:27 PM EST
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In case you've been wondering what it would be like to live on another planet, check out the email I just received from the wingnuts at RedState.com-

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"Sarah Palin took to the podium tonight and gave the speech of a lifetime, perhaps the best nationally broadcast political introduction in the convention history, and a knock out blow to the Obama-Biden campaign and their pals in the media.

Governor Palin's performance was phenomenal. It was amazing to be inside the XCEL Center listening, seeing the crowd's reaction, and seeing Governor Palin take the fight to opposition.

The media has pushed the Obama campaign's narrative for days that Governor Palin does not have enough experience to be Vice President. Tonight, she proved the media wrong. She proved the media frauds. She proved she's tough, she's a fighter, and yes, she can lead.

Governor Sarah Palin could lead on day one. She is ready to be President.

But Governor Palin is not running for President. She is running for Vice President with more experience than Senator Obama has and better experience than Joe Biden has.

John McCain chose wisely.

After tonight, it is clear the media's reaction to Sarah Palin was hyperbolic, false, and filled with the anger of a Democratic opposition just now recognizing what a threat Governor Palin is to their established order."

Sarah Palin is the real deal. Don't doubt it.

by eagleye on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:42:16 PM EST

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/

I'm noticing how much fun politics has been lately. To some extent it's a consequence of monumental buffoonery by the Republicans, but credit is due to cheerful Democrats who have learned that if politics is a dreary slog, nobody will participate. I'm actually wondering if a new "fun" politics (with a serious underlying agenda) might be the best way to win campaigns. Talk show host Ed Schultz has come up with a dandy idea, and I'm betting that it will produce hilarious and potentially devastating results. See below....

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"Ed Schulz is hosting a town hall meeting at the University of Alaska in Anchorage. A thousand Alaskans will cough up between $25 and $100 to stand before the microphone and tell the world exactly what they think of Sarah Palin. The show will be played back on September 15th."

by eagleye on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:44:29 PM EST

We need the Rhinoceros Party (none / 0)

They were an actual political party in Canada whose aim was to introduce some much-needed dada into Canadian politics. We haven't had any really good satirical candidates since Pat Paulsen died.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:32:51 AM EST
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basic impressions (none / 1)

Max Headroom's guest appearance as mitt romney was insane. like, totally fucking over the top insane. i loved the remark about the liberal Roberts SCOTUS. delightfully evil, staunchly in coherent.

sarah palin is a saturday night live character. Tina Fey meets the church lady meets Sally O'Malley.

rudy 9iu11iani should get a role in a remake of Nosferatu or as the Penguin in a future Batman flick.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:47:35 PM EST

Re: basic impressions (none / 0)

Somebody else described Palin as the Church Lady with nukular capability.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:33:55 AM EST
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So she stood up tonight in front of the whole country and wowed the Republican base while lying her ass off and grossly misrepresented almost every subject on which she touched.

And now all that has to happen is for the corporate media to sit down tonight and tomorrow, examine in detail all her misrepresentations and lies and report them in a clear and straightforward manner to that vast segment of the country who will only hear the soundbites and a few seconds of comment here and there by the beltway punditry before deciding whether she is fit to receive their vote.

I'll wait with bated breath.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:53:01 PM EST