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Reading the Tea Leaves

by BooMan
Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 01:06:03 AM EST

Joe Sudbay at AMERICAblog thinks that the White House sent Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod, and Rahm Emanuel out on the Sunday morning talk shows to demonstrate their lack of support for a public option. I think his reaction to their comments is a natural and understandable one, but it isn't necessarily the correct one. Let's start with the fact that all three of them stated their preference for a public option. The reason that fact is automatically discounted is because they all followed up their assertion of support for a public option by saying that they could accept a bill that didn't contain one. So, the logic goes, they aren't really supporting the public option if they aren't fighting for it. Instead, they are showing weakness and inviting Congress to send them a bill without a public option.

This logic is close to unassailable, but not quite. Let me go back to what I've been saying all along. There has always been enough opposition to the public option among Senate Democrats to assure that one could not pass the sixty-vote threshold. Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) has identified somewhere between fifty-two and fifty-five votes. If the Obama administration had taken the position that the public option had to be in any bill they would sign, there could have been no progress in passing a bill through the Finance Committee and no credible negotiations with any Republican senators.

That is still the case. As the White House and Senate work to meld the HELP and Finance bills into something that can win 60 votes for cloture, it has to find some middle ground between the two. I don't think the administration would facilitate that process by suddenly taking a hard-line and insisting they will veto any bill without a robust public option. It is more likely that the effort to pass a bill in the Senate would stall, as senators would lose their ability to negotiate and win concessions for their support.

For this reason, I think the administration feels constrained against making a hard stand right now. I don't think they were sent out to signal they are soft on the public option. I think they sent that signal because they don't want to take a final stand prematurely and are therefore unwilling to answer the question in any other way. The message they wanted to send was that health care reform is on track and moving forward. That they sent another message, of weakness, was probably unintentional and unavoidable in the face of good questioning.

But, you probably want to know, when is the administration going to make a stand? Honestly, I don't know if they will. But, if they do, they will probably do it once both the House and the Senate have passed their own versions of the bill.

If you want to identify a sign of capitulation, look to the House, not the Senate. There is no reason to make the Democrats in the House take a tough vote on a robust public option if the whole thing is going to be jettisoned in Conference. As long as Pelosi is standing firm, you should maintain your optimism. If the House passes a robust public option and the Senate passes something less (perhaps a state opt-out provision, for example) then the time for the White House to come down hard in favor of the House version is in the Conference Committee.

There are two reasons for this. First, in working out the compromises needed to pass a bill in the Senate, most of the work will be done and the contours of the battlefield will be totally defined. Second, once a bill passes both houses of Congress, it will have so much momentum that it will be really difficult for any member of the Democratic caucus to block a vote on final passage.

So, to summarize, there are different ways to read tea leaves. But those who have been waiting for the administration to make a veto-threat on the public option are probably reading the wrong leaves. The outcome is uncertain, but the place to look is actually in the House.



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I doubt the Obama team will EVER make a veto threat on the public option. That's the job of progressives in the House. If the House progressives vote for a bill, Obama will sign it. If they vote against it, Obama will have to fight for a bill that contains the public option so that he has something to sign.

Although I like your analysis BooMan, and I agree with it, I think the WH team is failing at Negotiation 101. You never concede that a key goal is negotiable or not important if you actually do think it's important.

It makes me think of people who list their homes for $600k but state in their listing ads that they will accept offers of $550k-$600k. In other words, the asking price is really $550k because who the hell would offer more than what the buyer claims they would accept. The conservative Senators hear statements like these from the WH and have no incentive to offer more (aka the public option) than the WH is willing to accept.

Thank god we have the Progressive Caucus. I think this will all come down to whether they will actually vote against a health reform bill that doesn't have a public option. If they don't have the courage to do that, we will get an unpopular shit sandwich instead of real reform.

by existenz on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 03:46:13 AM EST
http://www.actblue.com/page/harryreidad?refcode=huff

Just put in $50 and sent Harry Reid an email telling him so. This is the one - the carrot and the stick rolled into one and a heartbreakingly wonderful spokeswoman.

If Harry puts it in the mark they need 60 to kill it.

by obsessed on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 04:17:46 AM EST
Pressure on Reid is good, but at the end of the day I don't think he'll be calling the shots. The rubber meets the road in the conference committee. When the GOP was in charge, they'd pass watered-down centrist legislation in the Senate, hard right legislation in the House, and then drop the centrist crap (with the Bush team calling the shots) in conference. Then they'd simply dare anyone to filibuster it.

That's pretty much what we have to do. Get something--anything--out of the Senate, put together a robust plan in conference, and then dare those centrist Dems like Conrad and Nelson to join a filibuster.

I will be up in arms if the bill coming out of conference does not have a robust public option, because that's what we are waiting for. If it doesn't, Harry Reid should just resign as Majority Leader and spare us his failed leadership.

by existenz on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 04:47:24 AM EST
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I agree.

I live in NV and yesterday I was called by the NV Dem Party to talk about my feelings on issues related to the upcoming 2010 elections. On Reid, I was supportive of him as a Senator for Nevada, but said he's a failure as Majority Leader an that he should resign from the post and choose a committee to Chair instead after the next election (which he will win and I will vote for him in.)

They seemed a little shocked by the response, but I'd bet they're getting alot of it right now. He's WAY WAY down in the polls locally, but he'll get re-elected. It's the local Dems that are disapproving of his leadership that are doing this to him. They'll definitely re-elect him, but he stinks as Senate Majority Leader.

by RandyH on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 06:38:45 AM EST
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You correctly read the tea leaves of the legislative process. Obama wants public option, but doesn't want it through reconcilliation right now. Dean has predicted it will happen in conference. Anything that looks like a pseudo-option in the Senate bill can be negotiated into a real option in conference. That may be a positive trigger or negative opt out. Looks like Obama will get Collins as well as Snowe if he does that, and in the end the shame of the Republicans abandoning any support for such needed reform will outweigh anything else.

Sick of reading how "he has 60 votes." He doesn't and we all know it.

Michaela

by michaelmt (MrMichael_t@yahoo.com) on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 07:03:46 AM EST
bicameral vs unicameral! maybe the answer is UNICAMERAL!
 i know, i know. but ..........
by billjpa (billjpa@aol.com) on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 08:05:53 AM EST
It's obvious that a veto threat by Obama would be prelude to complete stall. The "progressives" want noise and theater more than results.
by rootless2 (sansracine_at_yahoo_dot_fr) on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 08:28:24 AM EST
whenever I read posts like this, I think about how many times the republicans rammed bills through with far fewer than 60 votes, and I remain unimpressed with what i am seeing now.

as I remarked the other day, it is a SAD state of affairs when the opportunist republican is a better democrat than the democrats.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 09:03:48 AM EST
Don't forget that the GOP's behavior was so over the top that Jeffords got so pissed that he was willing to screw over life-long friends and take all their chairmanships away by defecting to the Democrats.  

Realistically, do you think it would be a) wise and b) work to threaten to take away the chairs of Conrad, Lieberman, Lincoln, and Landrieu to get them all to sign off on a public option?  What if, instead of doing something so alienating and risky, they just showed them respect and let them negotiate for their votes on final passage?  

by BooMan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 11:04:38 AM EST
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because then you risk getting a watered down bill (which has already been significantly watered down) that doesn't even do what it's supposed to do.

right now it seems the democrats are negotiating against themselves.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 12:02:28 PM EST
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they are negotiating with themselves, and have been doing so all along.  The only thing that has changed is that we finally got 60 votes a few weeks ago.  The difference?  It is now more obvious that we are negotiating with ourselves because we no longer need any GOP votes at all.  Prior to Kirk getting seated, we had no prospect of passing jackshit that Snowe didn't approve.  
by BooMan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 12:38:17 PM EST
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like I always say, we'll see.
you get a case of beer if we get health care reform,with a robust public option available on day one.
it's a one-sided wager I will be happy to lose.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 01:48:14 PM EST
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Define 'Day One.'
by BooMan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 01:51:18 PM EST
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no triggers, no long-multi-year phase ins, no regional pilot programs, no co-ops.
for starters.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 03:00:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
but a 2013 implementation is okay?
by BooMan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 03:02:23 PM EST
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no, it's not actually, not in real life.  if, god forbid, something happened the tadpole in those 4 years between now and 2013, and your insurance refused to cover whatever that was, you would be beside yourself with grief and fury. i am tired of reading about decent people left to die, and I do not have the same sympathy for the devil that Blanche Lincoln et al have. So no, to me 2013 is not OK

BUT: it seems that's the best the house and senate are willing to offer, the cheap-ass motherfuckers.

so my revised response is, in the event that final bill is implemented in 2013, it's there for everyone on day one. no excuses, no nonsense, no delays.

and even then I think it's going to be a bad bill. it's literally the least they could do, and i remain incredibly angry with the faithlessness of the democrats.

go you should have heard that sniveling weasel sestak today. michael scott with an admiralship.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 03:30:18 PM EST
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What did Sestak do?  Was that the thing with Lamont?

Look, you know that I support a single-payer health care system.  I said at the beginning of this process that we were going to get a shitty bill and don't expect me to be excited about it.  

But, Obama ran on a very conventional and basically common sense platform for heath reform and I'd like to see him pass what he said he wanted to pass.  When Paul Krugman was shilling for Clinton blasting Obama over the lack of a mandate, I pointed out that forcing people to buy insurance that they can't afford is not going to be very popular.  You have to give people amble subsidies and the option of buying from a non-profit insurer or you'll get killed at the polls later on.  It's the private insurers who are insisting on the mandate, BTW, contra Krugman's wisdom.  

So, how to pass this shit?  That's what I've been focusing on.  Because it is worth passing, so long as it has a public option and ample subsidies.  

by BooMan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 03:43:32 PM EST
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yeah it was the thing with lamont.  I'll email you directly about my impressions.

as long as there's a strong and effective public option with ample subsidies I want it passed too. did you see the link digby had up yesterday?

I'm looking at those amounts and I am NOT liking what I see. I make more than the example digby uses, and I would be hit hard. that's more than my student loan every month, and i can't afford that as it is.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 10:22:49 AM EST
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The GOP could always count on the votes of Nelson, Bayh, Lieberman, Landrieu, Pryor and other conservative Dems to achieve cloture. I know, it's also sickening to me, but the plain fact is that there are really only two gettable votes among the current GOP caucus. They are much better at keeping their caucus in line.

You'd think the conservative Dems who helped enact the Republican legislation for six years would speak out against the GOP, now that the bipartisan voting behavior is not being reciprocated. They got played for punks and don't want to acknowledge it. Either that, or these are really Republicans who simply call themselves Democrats.

by existenz on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 12:35:22 PM EST
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they're nothing more than two faces of the same Corporatist party.

you can tell by the way they go out of their way to protect corporate oligarchs at all costs.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 03:33:31 PM EST
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Uh oh, tell that to Reid.

TPM is reporting Reid needs the President to send a strong signal that "this is REALLY what he wants" to push this through or it's going to be unlikely to happen.

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by MNPundit on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 06:55:12 PM EST
reid's looking for a cya moment. he's become the eddie haskell of senate majority leaders.

he knows exactly what needs to be done, he just doesn't want to do it.

what an ass.

the revolution will not be televised...

by dada on Mon Oct 19th, 2009 at 07:17:25 PM EST
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