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Ships That Pass in the Night

by BooMan
Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 12:51:13 PM EST

I guess Lieberman is going to run for reelection as a Republican. Even if he backs down on the cloture vote, he's basically burned his bridges. What's weird is how closely Arlen Specter's recent moves to left parallel Lieberman's to the right. They're almost like ships passing in the night, and we wind up with no net difference.



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   Ships That Pass in the Night...

  If Lieberman is a "ship" he has to be a garbage-scow" and, whatever Arlen Spector is, he's a good deal better than a garbage-scow.

   How does Lieberman sell the idea that a health-care reform which actually covers more people for less than the present system's costs is "bad for the economy"?

  How does he convince people that his real concerns are fiscal ones when his votes clearly show that when it comes to allocating expenditures for war and for military hardware and related costs, he recognizes no limit on spending on these?

   Very briefly, the actual Republican party practice of government shows that their operating assumptions are simple:

   " We cannot afford a cheaper health-care system because we must spend every available dollar on war and its military requirements while, at the same time, we continuously cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans and cut government programs which aid in many vital ways the neediest Americans.  "

    That is the "logic" at work here, and, by many indications, Americans are either "buying" that or they're not sufficiently opposed to it in order to stop it.

    We really should ask: "How and why could this be?!!?"

   because the answers to that question--- and there are answers to it---are both startling and most revealing.

   In part, the answer contains this aspect:

  Americans hold utterly fantastic notions about "economy" and economics---and not only the most "conservative" among them.  Their fantasy ideas include the widespread belief that the "economy" is an entity apart, something existing "in nature" and, for reasons which are taken to be grounded in "nature", in naturally-occurring processes, in "naturally-based" "economic laws", it is futile, and, because futile, then, "wrong" philosophically and morally, to "intervene" in this supposedly distinct entity, "the economy" by what are held to be government's meddling measures in that realm.

   Though these ideas, which go back to Eighteenth-century conceptions of economic theory, have been thoroughly discredited and exploded for generations now, none of that has yet penetrated to the consciousnesses of Americans---even highly-educated ones!---in more than a minority's proportion.

   Thus, it is gross ignorance of economic theory and practice which accounts, almost alone, for the ability of a person like Senator Lieberman to go on television and say with a straight face sheer nonsense and actually get away with it.

   We are repeatedly told the hackneyed phrase, "Politics is the art of the possible".  But this, in a nation of such widespread ignorance on such fundamental and vital matters, rings like a death-sentence.  It seems to take for granted some sort of immutable reality as constituting "the possible" when, in fact, what is possible is infinitely varied and variable according to the talents and the knowledge that any given people have or fail to have at their disposal.

    If politics is the art of the possible, such a phrase still gets us simply nowhere since what's possible for a room-full of ignorant minors and what's possible for a room-full of informed and aware people, those who possess a rich store of accurate knowledge of their own history, politics and economics, are two different things, worlds apart.

   It simply shouldn't do to be able to say, "politics is the art of the possible" and, with that, close debate as though this settles anything for those who can think beyond the end of their noses.

  An economy exists nowhere in nature prior to and absent some political order which creates the prerequisites for the economy's existence---by design or by default, but one way or another, creates and maintains them.  This most elementary fact in economics is simply not known to or understood by many Americans.  That should be recognized as a scandal and a fatal scandal.

by proximity1 (timesreader@free.fr) on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 01:43:59 PM EST
Yesterday, I would have said that Lieberman is merely seeking attention, and will cave on his filibuster threat.  I no longer believe that, after watching his performance on Face the Nation.  He sure seemed to dig his heels in by saying, unequivocally, that he would filibuster a public option, adding that no bill would be better than a bill with a public option.

I suppose he can still back away from that, but his comments left pretty little wiggle room.

It's really hard to understand Liberman's motivation.  I can't believe that his objections to the public option are sincere (even though I believe that there are genuine reasons others might object).  

Is this guy simply evil incarnate?

by gideon on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:00:53 PM EST
Lieberman is Palpatine.

Specter is just your run of the mill political opportunist. Do anything to hang on to that power.

by RandyH on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:11:49 PM EST
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l would posit he's more akin to iago.

the revolution will not be televised...
by dada on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:16:10 PM EST
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Both good choices, but each retained a small hint of dignity. I'll stick with Gollum.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:25:52 PM EST
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and the precious is the $$ paid to his wife by insurance cos?

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:31:03 PM EST
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And the corporate love shown to both of them. There is also the Gollumlike irony that once he accomplishes the Dark Tower's demand, he loses his usefulness to it.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:46:45 PM EST
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and that he's not in it for the purposes of the Dark Tower but to acquire it for himself

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:59:16 PM EST
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No, he's not evil, but he is childish. Lieberman is the kind of person who thrives on attention and never learned to distinguish -- or care -- about the difference between positive attention and negative attention. It is much, much easier to get negative attention, and one of the easiest ways to do it is to stick out your tongue and say, "You can't make me!"

Unfortunately, much of the American right wing -- and that would include Lieberman -- consists of exactly this kind of developmentally disabled "adult".

In any case, Lieberman isn't here to serve the American people or the people of Connecticut. His sole real allegiance is to Jerusalem. Everything else is just finding a way to amuse himself between bills concerning Israel.

by corvus on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 04:11:18 PM EST
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seems to me the entire purpose of accepting Lieberman into the dem fold is in order to threaten him re: committee chairship at this moment. if he joins the repug filibuster he should lose  it - and then maybe we get our investigation into the Katrina debacle, which iirc he blocked.

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:34:17 PM EST
I think he needs to lose more then the chair. He's literally not a Democrat, so it's time to quit pretending he is. If he joins the GOP filibuster he should be kicked out of the caucus altogether and lose his seniority and every other perk that comes from being part of the majority, without exception.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 02:43:20 PM EST
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I imagine they're threatening him with that. After all, Reid's career is on the line along with everything else now.

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 03:01:04 PM EST
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But, if Holy Joe loses his chairmanships, he won't be as useful to AIPAC and the state of Israel. Will the sky fall then?

Whatever you liken him to, Lieberman is a national disgrace.  He is, IMHO, totally without dignity and integrity.  I think his real forte is screwing those who depend upon him.  May he harvest the rich crop of his misdeeds and suffer the obloquy of his nefarious acts.

He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. Sir William Drummond

by Dongi 2 on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 03:21:49 PM EST
I just wonder what brought such venom on. What made him become so fierce an opponent of the public option, watered down and handcuffed as it is?


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by robertdsc on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 04:14:05 PM EST
maybe he sees everything slipping away

Viva Obama
by Errol on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 04:23:59 PM EST
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And this ass hole was almost Vice President, thanks Al Gore.

Blue Tidal Wave
by Mac G on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 05:44:19 PM EST
Could this have been Lieberman's plan all along?  To basically end up playing the spoiler for what everyone knew was going to be the signature effort by this administration and becoming the hero in the eyes of the GOP and their base?  Could he have essentially made a deal with his Republican friends to make nice with the Democrats in order to kill health care reform from the inside of the Democratic Party, thereby taking almost all the political air out of the Obama administration's balloon and killing any momentum to get anything else done in the run-up to 2010?

For all of the people who had real misgivings about allowing Lieberman to continue to caucus with the Democrats after doing his best Republican imitation during the 2008 election, could this be the final validation of their greatest fears?

Was it the plan all along to roll the Democrats, cut the legs off the Obama administration and jump ship to the waiting GOP?  Or is that just too much of a tin-foil hat conspiracy?  Running as a Republican in Connecticut does not seem to make for the best chances at continuing employment, but knowing his bridges were basically burned with the Democrats, would he gamble with his chances in the GOP, thinking that the GOP somehow would be significantly revived at the polls after their all-in effort to kill health care has so revved up the base?  Maybe he is banking that his best bet for a political future is as a new-found hero with the GOP's noisy right.  Nothing would make him more admirable and provide greater appeal to his narcissism than to be portrayed as the lone dissenter, standing on the steps of the Capital and almost single handedly fighting off the evils of "government run health care".

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"

by MikeInOhio on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 05:45:01 PM EST
Well, at the time he couldn't know that there would be a healthcare bill or that the not-GOP would have 60 senators. If he forces healthcare reform to go through the budget reconciliation process, it's hard to see what he's won. He's still not going to get the trust of the Connecticut Christianists (see Romney), and he's gonna get pretty much zero Dems votes and few indie votes. He suffers from a martyr complex, seems to me, which rages far too strong to permit trying to analyze his behavior as if he were sane.

FDR's response to progressive demands: "I agree. Now go out and make me do it."
by DaveW on Sun Nov 1st, 2009 at 07:27:42 PM EST
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