there's ALWAYS a problem with "a bunch of Democratic senators". if it's not ben nelson trying to rob women of their reproductive rights, it's kent conrad trying to cut social security, or blanche lincoln shilling for wal-mart.

The Democratic Party: As Reliable and Steady as a 1978 Plymouth Volare Wagon.

Big reason i don't care anymore.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

I don't see how this passes.

We can pick up three Republicans from this, as you've stated, but there's more than three problem children in our caucus.

Bayh, Prior, Licoln, Dorgan, Byrd, Rockefeller, Conrad, Nelson, Landreiu are all more than likely to vote no.

Another possible no vote is Feingold, as:

a.) His environmental record is probably the worst out of all his votes.
b.) He refuses to vote for it if it will increase burden on the middle class whatsoever.

I don't know how he defines the middle class, but he could be a problem vote.

To be honest we are probably already past the point where cap and trade would do much good.  We need to take far more serious actions if we hope to avoid the freight train that is headed our way.  The data is already coming in showing that current warming and other climate effects are far worse than the IPCC predicted (which frankly were extremely conservative to begin with).  Sadly, the drastic measures that should be taken (a Mega-Manhattan style project to develop renewable and climate neutral alternative sources of energy) isn't likely to become the consensus viewpoint until it is much too late to prevent a catastrophe.

And by that I mean mass extinctions, extreme famines and droughts, extreme weather of all sorts (hurricanes, blizzards, tornadoes and flooding), loss of arable farm land, mass migrations of entire peoples, extensive coastal erosion from rising sea levels, diminished water supplies in some of the most highly populated and volatile regions on Earth, yearly fire seasons that will dwarf the ones we see now, and regional wars (which are likely to include the use of nuclear weapons) fought over resources like food and water.

But hey, I'll probably be dead by then (unless the GHG feedback effects kick it up another notch, which isn't beyond the realm of the possible).  My children and grandchildren (should I have any) and yours, however, will not be so fortunate.

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

When global climate change first appeared on the scientific radar publicly almost twenty years ago, PBS has a special broadcast narrated by James Burke.  It was a forecast of the future.

The scenario laid out is that governments would dither until the first successive catastrophes struck (a Katrina-like typhoon in Japan was the example, as I remember).  Then in 2015, things will have gotten so bad that Japan would lead a political initiative to do something about it, and that something would be a global regulatory body with stringent regulations, coincidentally headquartered in Tokyo.

It sure looks like we are on that trajectory.

And it is very instructive that the market fundamentalists of the Republican Party have an aversion to creating a market for scarce CO2 disposal rights.  They love the market when it suits them.  But they love cronyism even more.

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We'll see. Even if this is true, and if Obama is sincere now, he could honestly change his mind.

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If find it difficult to believe that anything will ever happen about the environment.  There's all this talk but ultimately if it's going to affect business then any government will shy away from it.

Kim