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The Big Vote is in an Hour

by BooMan
Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 11:44:17 AM EST

Update [2009-12-21 1:23:56 by BooMan]: Senate invokes cloture on Reid's manager's amendment by a 60-40 vote. I will remind you that we needed every single victory from 2006 and 2008 to achieve this. We needed Tester and Webb and McCaskill and Whitehouse and Klobuchar and Franken and Begich and Merkley and Sanders and the two Udalls and Brown and Cardin and Hagan and Casey and Hagan and Shaheen and Warner. We needed to seat Bennet and Burris and Gillibrand. We needed to replace Kennedy with Kirk. With had to flip Arlen Specter to the Democratic Party. If we lost any single one of those battles, health care reform would be dead. Instead, it lives. And you have yourselves to thank for that. Your activism made the difference.

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But, believe it or not, the Senate is about to convene after midnight and have the key cloture vote of the whole health care reform shebang. The vote should begin at approximately 1am. They will have to wheel Robert Byrd in again in the middle of the night to cast the deciding sixtieth vote. Once they reach 60 votes, the Democrats and probably the chambers will erupt in applause. I'm not sure if all the Republicans will even show up. They don't need to be there. The way cloture works, all that is required is 3/5's of seated senators, not of those actually present. So, technically, no Republicans need to show up. Some of them will probably opt to get some sleep. Once cloture is invoked on Reid's manager's amendment, the clock will start on 30 hours of post-cloture time. Then, sometime Tuesday they will hold another cloture note on the substitute bill. And on Wednesday, a vote on that. And on Christmas Eve, a vote on final passage.

But the big vote is tonight, starting at around 1am. This is the vote that we had no way of winning so long a triggerless public option was part of the bill. We could, however, have won over Snowe's vote for a trigger if we had so chose. To win over all 60 members of the Democratic caucus in the Senate, Reid had to add a lot of goodies, especially for Landrieu and Ben Nelson, but also for others, like Bernie Sanders. Now that these senators have won concessions, they will be very reluctant to blow up the Conference Report with the House, even if the bill moves to the left. There are definitely limitations to how far the bill can move to the left without losing the support of at least one Democrat. But the bill can now be improved for the first time since the HELP Committee completed its work in July.

There may be some temptation in the interest of time and simplicity to doing what is called a ping-pong maneuver. This is a move where the House votes to pass a bill that is identical to the Senate version, thereby obviating the need to go to a Conference Committee to reconcile the differences. That would be a travesty. We've made too many compromises to win over the support of people like Joe Lieberman and Blanche Lincoln. We need to take the Senate bill and make some improvements so that the bill is better from both a policy and a political point of view. We can't win a public option of any kind. But we can make some tweaks to improve the subsidies, strengthen the regulations, and the phase in the exchanges quicker.



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Also I think it's interesting that this senate is actually working and working late. During the Bush era I don't remember the house or the senate working very much
by dannie22 on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:08:08 AM EST
This senate doesn't work much either.  The GOP simply delays things so that we have half as many legislative days as we should to do some work.  
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:09:42 AM EST
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Does anyone get the feeling that Jane Hamsher is going to go the way of Orly Taitz before this is all over?
by beltanevt on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:15:07 AM EST
I think one thing we've figured out during all of this is that some people are concerned about actual governing and effective policy making, and others more about hysteria, chest-beating, throwing tantrums, and shout-downs of critics. One of these actually gets things done; the other generates lots of media buzz.
by bogenrim on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:23:00 AM EST
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what?  You haven't seen me on your teevee or on syndicated radio?  

Remember, the two simplest ways to get invited to speak in the media.

  1. Be black and Republican.
  2. Be a Democrat who thinks the president is a Republican.  
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:30:10 AM EST
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Lol, every time I see the word syndicated I think of David Sirota.
by seabe on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:32:44 AM EST
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And that's why some of us prefer THIS blog :)
by GC on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 08:16:38 AM EST
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Maybe they'll form a third-party together.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:16:35 AM EST
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Along with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild?
by RandyH on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:27:58 AM EST
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Then why did Jane tape and post that PUMA going out of her mind(back when they decided what to do about Michigan and Florida)?
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 11:50:28 AM EST
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Maybe Jane is Orly's long lost sister. I think they favor.
by dannie22 on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:20:21 AM EST
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blah blah blah blah blah blah Naval Academy blah blah blah blah blah blah POW blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:20:30 AM EST
thanks, I dozed off and missed what McCain had to say.  
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:31:08 AM EST
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You might not have heard his comments but trust me, you didn't miss anything.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:35:57 AM EST
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your recap was helpful.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:42:54 AM EST
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I aim to please.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:43:53 AM EST
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Do these guys have a speech impediment that makes them repeat everything? That makes? Them? Repeat? Everything?

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:54:59 AM EST
Lieberman votes "aye." Thanks a lot, bub. We'll remember this.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:14:33 AM EST
i'd note at this point that every effort we made to elect Begich, McCaskill, Franken, Webb, Merkley, etc., over the last four years is paying off now.  Without any of them, we'd have bupkis.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:15:31 AM EST
Great point.

Watching history, and hopeful.

by jdw on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:17:35 AM EST
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Booman, congratulations.  It's not the end, or the beginning of the end, but at least its the end of the beginning.


Do not go gentle into that good night. Blog, blog against the dying of the light.
by CathiefromCanada on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:57:24 AM EST
The chaplain is giving the opening prayer to an empty Senate chamber.  He's praying that the senators will lead a life of integrity and remember that they are servants of the people, and not succumb to cynicism.

Ha.

by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:03:13 AM EST
Ironic on so many levels...
by bogenrim on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:18:18 AM EST
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I'll be watching c span tonight.
by dannie22 on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:05:02 AM EST
Senator Mark Udall of Colorado is presiding as president of the Senate.  Lamar Alexander opens for the GOP.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:05:56 AM EST
Harkin's outfit is so Christmas-y.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:32:02 AM EST
How long are thses revolting repubs gonna talk. Isn't it past their bedtimes?
by dannie22 on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:35:09 AM EST
I'm watching Survivor until 10pm (West Coast time) - then switching to C-SPAN for "the vote." I haven't slept much in the past few days - catching all the coverage I could. This is a good/bad/wonderful/horrible bill. I hope and pray it really is an improvement. I truly don't know what to think, not having read the bill myself. But I am captivated by the arguments on both sides and can't wait to see what comes of all of this. I'm just tired - I can't fight every battle.


"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes
by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:35:25 AM EST
That's about where I am. I am hoping this is actually an improvement for common people, even if it's a massive wet kiss to the insurance companies. But I hope they turn right around and start inching the camel further into the tent.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:37:15 AM EST
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I've actually read about 200 pages of the bill. Now that school is out I will actually finish it along with the amendments and such. I work in the healthcare field and I see many ways that this bill is going to help a lot of people
by dannie22 on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:38:57 AM EST
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Geez, I hate listening to Mitch McConnell. I have to wipe the slime off the speakers every time he's done speaking.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:43:26 AM EST
it's turtle slime.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:44:02 AM EST
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You gave me a good morning laugh here in Amsterdam.
by Quentin on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 02:45:36 AM EST
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I aim to please. ;-D

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 03:11:55 AM EST
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If you're playing the Talking Point Drinking Game, take a drink now for "overwhelming opposed by the American people" and one for "never before has a bill like this passed without bipartisan support." Hope you're taking small drinks.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:46:18 AM EST
also any reference to the number of pages in the bill and/or amendment.
by RandyH on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:58:00 AM EST
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Harry Reid is so boring and uninspiring.
by seabe on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:59:43 AM EST
no doubt.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:01:53 AM EST
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If it weren't for him pulling together the 60 votes, I'd insult him right now, but his voice is lulling me to sleep at this late hour. It's kind of comforting. He's the kind of guy I'd hire to read me books at my bedside or on Mr. Rogers.
by seabe on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:03:17 AM EST
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Maybe the Star Trek mirror universe version of Mr. Rogers

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:05:04 AM EST
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what?  I dozed off again.
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:06:42 AM EST
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Get your sleep while you can.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:07:22 AM EST
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I told CG that this morning when she kept waking me up every 30 minutes.  I was like, "You know this might be the last morning for years that I can get some sleep, right?"  
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:11:55 AM EST
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You might get lucky and get one of those who sleeps through the night from the start. But it's not likely. My oldest son is 33 and he's never yet slept all the way through the night.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:14:03 AM EST
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Yeah but I'd rather listen to him than McConnell or McCain or most of the other Republibots.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:02:39 AM EST
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Harry Reid insists on the rule, never normally enforced, that members vote from their desks.  This makes the vote go quicker. It also gives it a sense of history.  
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:08:59 AM EST
He should also insist that if senators want to filibuster they should talk rather than just stand up and say they filibuster. Just my 2 cents.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:10:55 AM EST
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Hard to do.  They can just go up there and not the absence of a quorum and the clerk has to call the roll, which takes 15 minutes, and them another one can do the same thing.   Only way to prevent that is to keep a quorum present at all times.  
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:13:27 AM EST
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I didn't say it'd be easy, but that means the Republicans have to keep their part of the quorum as well.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:16:49 AM EST
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They look like a bunch of schoolchildren. I've never seen them all sit down at once before.
by RandyH on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:18:04 AM EST
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Mr. Byrd.  Mr. Byrd 'aye.'
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:10:45 AM EST
are there any senators wanting to vote or change their vote?
by BooMan on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:17:34 AM EST
Why are they calling the roll again?

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:19:30 AM EST
Bittersweet.
by Quentin on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 02:48:43 AM EST
I am a morning person and this AM I feel just great.  Go for it all you Senate guys and gals with a heart.  (NRNA)  No Republicans Need Apply!

Be bold, for boldness conquers everything.
by Dongi 2 on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 06:24:36 AM EST
Sorry I missed all this.  Waves to Omir.

Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-
by boran2 (blogistan@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:00:41 PM EST
Hey Boran, nice to see you.

I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55
by Omir the Storyteller (omir.the.storyteller -CAT- gmail -DOG- com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 01:25:03 PM EST
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