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Coup in Honduras

by BooMan
Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 01:12:47 PM EST

An odd event has occurred. There has been a right-wing coup in Honduras that does not have any apparent support from Washington DC. The president has been kidnapped by the military and flown to Costa Rica. This is election day in Honduras, so this is truly remarkable. The president defied the country's supreme court by putting a referendum question on the ballot that asked whether another referendum should be held later in the year to take away the one-term limit on the presidency. This appears to be the immediate provocation that caused the coup. On June 26th, I received the following statement from the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator John Kerry:

“America values its longstanding partnership with Honduras, but a push to rewrite the constitution over the objections of Honduras's top court, legislature, attorney general, and military is deeply disturbing,” said Chairman Kerry. “The people of Honduras deserve a democratic process that is legal, fair and transparent. I applaud the Organization of American States (OAS), consistent commitment to fully respect members’ sovereignty, for calling an emergency meeting to discuss the crisis in Honduras.”

Intentionally or not, Sen. Kerry sent a message that may have encouraged the coup-makers. On the other hand, he also sent a message of warning to the president that he did not have support for his referendum gambit. President Obama's response to the coup also raises questions:

"I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya. As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference."

He is concerned about the expulsion of the president, but he reiterates the position of the OAS on Friday, which was critical of the referendum. It sounds like the American position is that the president was to blame for defying the supreme court, but that that doesn't justify a military coup which is just as illegal. That makes sense to me. In 2002, the American government openly sided with the coup-makers in Venezuela only to be humiliated when Hugo Chavez was allowed to continue on as president. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few days down in Honduras.

Coup in Honduras | 20 comments (20 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Coup in Honduras (3.00 / 3)

I wouldn't call it a right wing coup. Many in the legislature and supreme court are hardly right wingers, and they seem to be unanimous in opposition to Zelaya. He seems to have a reputation as something of a nut.

Imagine if GWB had tried to change the constitution to allow himself another term...I'd be begging the joint chiefs to intervene.

by KathyF on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 01:40:57 PM EST

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Fair points, but his policies are populist and not to establishment Washington's liking. He's the type of leader we have traditionally encouraged militaries to topple and then rule by junta for half a century.

by BooMan on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 01:55:11 PM EST
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He's actually a real nut, and he tried to hold an illegal election in order to set himself up as dictator. It sounds like the rest of the govt has things in control, and there is no chance of military rule. There is talk of bringing him back to impeach him properly.

by KathyF on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 02:03:05 AM EST
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Re: Coup in Honduras (none / 0)

No your a nut. Elections aren't illegal and someone who is elected can't be a dictator.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 06:29:26 AM EST
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Actually, this one would have violated the constitution, which therefore makes it illegal.

The ballots were supplied by Venezuela. Hondurans don't want to be under the thumb of Chavez, or the U.S. it turns out.

And "you are" is contracted as "you're".

by KathyF on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 07:55:56 AM EST
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Re: Coup in Honduras (none / 0)

The referendum called for a constitutional convention not an election. So the shit about ballots is irrelevant garbage, probably rumor mongering, not to mention guilt by association.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 09:10:14 AM EST
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I'm not sure about that. I think, though I am not sure, that the Supreme Court ruled that only the assembly could put such an item on the ballot.

by BooMan on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 10:56:55 AM EST
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Re: Coup in Honduras (none / 1)

What he tried to do was put on the ballot the quesion as to whether the constitution should be amended to allow subsequent presidential terms.

By your standards, that's illegal, yet a coup is legal?

by sleepy (imcotton1991@yahoo.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 07:54:00 AM EST
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He could have added it to the ballot in November, legally, but chose not to. This guy wanted a confrontation.

by KathyF on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 07:57:09 AM EST
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Re: Coup in Honduras (none / 1)

You are flat out wrong. The November referendum was what he supported.

What you are referring to is a public opinion poll on the November referendum which he was conducting prior to the coup.

The opinion poll has been suppressed since the coup.

by sleepy (imcotton1991@yahoo.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 08:01:02 AM EST
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Just days after reestablishing diplomatic ties with Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez is accusing the U.S. of staging a coup in Honduras as President Obama expressed concern over President Manuel Zelaya's arrest.
Zelaya was arrested and forced into exile on Sunday after pressing ahead with a constitutional referendum that would have allowed for his re-election. The referendum had been judged illegal by Honduras' highest court and was opposed widely through political and military circles. Zelaya had fired the chief of the country's armed forces, Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, when he refused to help with the referendum.
Soldiers took away Zelaya, still in his pajamas, from the presidential palace Sunday morning and put him on a plane to San Jose, Costa Rica, where he planned to seek political asylum.
Chavez, who succeeded on his second try to push a similar referendum that allows his indefinite re-election, lashed out at the U.S. and Obama in Caracas, alleging "the Yankee empire had a lot to do" with the "coup d'etat" against his fellow leftist leader.
"I call on the president of the United States to issue a statement as we have, rejecting this affront, which not only goes against Honduras but against all the peoples of Latin America," Chavez said.
Chavez also accused the upper classes in Honduras of staging the upheaval, saying they "have turned Honduras into a 'banana republic', into a political, military and terror base for the North American empire."
Chavez commonly refers to the United States as the "empire."

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by BooMan on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 02:16:41 PM EST
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Agree (none / 1)

It's a military coup. The problem with the left-right framing is it tends to be done through a prism of brainless domestic US cheerleading.

by ILuvChez17 on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 02:19:45 PM EST
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Re: Coup in Honduras (none / 0)

What would
you call a military action involving the expulsion of the elected president and the murder of the left wing presidential candidate and the imposition of martial law?

by rootless2 (sansracine_at_yahoo_dot_fr) on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 09:49:08 PM EST
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uhm no? (none / 0)

I wouldn't support of a coup against the government if the constitution were changed to allow a President to serve more than two terms, which is what the democrats proposed for Bill Clinton. Bloomberg changed the two term rule for mayor of Manhattan. Is Manhattan a dictatorship? Roosevelt was elected to serve four terms. We also might argue that term limits are undemocratic since it denies the American people the right to reelect a popular candidate.

This women is an authoritarian nutcase, and I don't understand why people are being nice to her.

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by StrayRoots (dameocrat@STUFFTOREMOVEpeacemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 06:28:11 AM EST
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Would you have supported a coup against the US government in the early 50's when the US constitution was amended to disallow unlimited presidential terms?

So much for your version of democracy.

As was said elsewhere on another blog:

"Oh sure military coups happen in a democracy all the time. Only in a true democracy would an elected President get kidnapped and dumped in a foreign country by the military. I mean we wouldn't want to have any dangerous referendums in a democracy now would we. After all who could imagine a democracy wherein the people could actually express their preferences?"

by sleepy (imcotton1991@yahoo.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 07:58:01 AM EST
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Ousted President's Press Conference (none / 0)

Honduras President Mel Zelaya Kidnapped in Military Coup

Cladded with a pijama, Honduran President Manuel Zelaya gave an international press conference from Costa Rica. He then confimed he was still the democratically elected Head of State of his country. Ousted President Zelaya called upon his fellow nationals to press the plotters by peaceful means and civil disobedence. In addition, Zelaya informed he would be attending a regional meeting as Honduran President tomorrow at Nicaragua. Regional coordination in expected to reject the coup in Honduras.Honduran Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Patricia Rodas, was taken hostages. Venezuelan and Cuban Ambassadors wer hurt when Minister Rodas was forcibly taken from her house and held captive at a military instalation. Congress is gathering to declare President Zelaya as incompetent to hold the post. A curfew is expected to be declared shortly in Honduras.

OAS has agreed to act swiftly on the current crisis. Honduran President, Manuel Zelaya has been taken to Costa Rica. During a telephone conversation with Telesur at 11:10 (VLT), President Zelaya spoke from San Jose Airport in Costa Rica. Ousted Zelaya explained how he was kidnapped and betrayed by military forces. Then he was taken as a hostage to Costa Rica on a military plane. He also explained his current status in Costa Rica was as guest and not as a political refugee. Zelaya who was still wearing his pijamas asked the US Obama administration to express its view over the coup against his goverment. Without US backing, this coup would not take root, Zelaya added. An international press conference is expected soon. In Honduras, the President of the National Congress, Roberto Micheletti, declared himself as provisional Head of State until general election were held by November 2009. Such political move does not count with a legal backing in the current Honduran Constitution.

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The ongoing coup has been fueled by military sectors that opposed the attempt to change presidential terms by a Constittutional reform. Zelaya was initially supported by conservatives but then rejected once his government followed a left leaning agenda and established close ties with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and joined ALBA. Pro government supporters of President Manuel Zelaya have been protesting at the presidential palace and confronted military personnel. Power supply has been disrupted. Radio Station are unable to broadcast on the current crisis. Opposition led Honduran channel 11 has been broadcasting cartoons instead of reporting on the coup. The local governmental TV station - Channel 8 -has halted its transmission.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 02:58:21 PM EST

Congress Names Micheletti as Temporary President (none / 0)

BREAKING NEWS -
Congress names Micheletti as temporary president of Honduras

Según el decreto leído, Zelaya fue separado de su cargo como Jefe de Estado de Honduras y su puesto será ejercido por el actual presidente del Congreso, Roberto Micheletti, hasta que culmine el período presidencial. Las elecciones generales están previstas para el 29 de noviembre próximo.

Earlier news ...
The President of the National Congress, Roberto Micheletti, red a letter that stated President Zelaya had quitted his post. However, President Manuel Zelaya immediatly responded by CNN stated such letter was fake and he had not resigned to the presidency. UN issued a press statement to reject the military led coup.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 04:41:51 PM EST
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An odd event has occurred. There has been a right-wing coup in Honduras that does not have any apparent support from Washington DC.

Now that is easily the funniest (and truest) thing I've read today. Thanks for the much-needed laugh, Booman!

by corvus on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 04:02:18 PM EST

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I'm sure Obama and the administration will mouth all the appropriate tsk tsk platitudes agains the coup. I wouldn't make much more of it than that.

by sleepy (imcotton1991@yahoo.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 08:03:36 AM EST
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Coup in Honduras | | the narcosphere

School of the Americas-Trained Military Detains and Expels Democratically-Elected President Zelaya

Early this morning approximately 200 Honduran soldiers arrived at President Manuel "Mel" Zelaya's residence, reportedly fired four shots, and detained the President. Zelaya told TeleSUR that the soldiers took him to an air force base and put him on a plane to Costa Rica.

Zelaya told TeleSUR from San Jose, Costa Rica, "They threatened to shoot me." Honduras' ambassador to the Organization of American States, Carlos Sosa Coello, reports that the president has been beaten up.

Zelaya told TeleSUR that he doesn't believe it was regular soldiers who kidnapped him. "I have been the victim of a kidnapping carried out by a group of Honduran soldiers. I don't think the Army is supporting this sort of action. I think this is a vicious plot planned by elites. Elite who only want to keep the country isolated and in extreme poverty."

Read the European view on European Tribune

by Fran on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 05:17:40 PM EST

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