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Drones

by BooMan
Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 04:46:06 PM EST

They really are drones. There are dozens of articles available from various right-wing media outlets (yes, that now applies to the Washington Post) that all make the same basic argument that the House procedural move (deem and pass) might be unconstitutional and will allow Democrats to avoid admitting that they voted for noxious elements of the Senate bill.

If I vote for a bill that contains something I don't like (say, the Cornhusker Kickback) and then vote immediately thereafter to remove that provision so that it never lands on the president's desk, in what sense did I vote for it?

It doesn't matter if you do it in one vote or two, because Republicans will blame you for voting for something you expressly voted against either way.

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republicans will blame you for everything.

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 05:07:21 PM EST

Catholic Nuns Support HCR Legislation (none / 1)

Catholic nuns break with bishops and urge passage of health care reform

(TPM) - Meanwhile, in a rare public disagreement that will reverberate among the nation's 70 million Catholics, leaders of religious orders representing 59,000 nuns sent lawmakers a letter urging them to pass the Senate health care bill. Expected to come before the House by this weekend, the measure contains abortion funding restrictions that the bishops say don't go far enough.

"Despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions," said the letter signed by 60 leaders of women's religious orders. "It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments ... in support of pregnant women. This is the real pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it."

"This is politics; this isn't a question of faith and morals," said Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, a national Catholic social activism lobby. "We are the ones who work every day with people who are suffering because they don't have health care. We cannot turn our backs on them, so for us, health care reform is a faith-based response to human need."

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by Oui on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 05:18:04 PM EST

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Exactly correct. In the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, elected Democrats still believe that facts matter to Republicans.

by CrapIsKing (CrapIsKing) on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 06:09:46 PM EST

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After it's done, the public doesn't care about how it was done. This is within the Dome posturing to try to wave off the scared.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

by TarheelDem on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 06:14:51 PM EST

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After it's done, the public doesn't care about how it was done." I'm not so sure in this case. In the Fox interview tonight, Baier said they had received 18,000 questions, many about process and about sweetheart deals. I'm sure they did, cause Fox flogs those points 24/7. When the bill passes (if?), Fox will continue to sow seeds of doubt and distrust where ever they can, and if that means continuing to legitimize the process then they will, and their dronees will continue to parrot the attacks. I think we are in uncharted territory here.

by wvng on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 09:10:54 PM EST
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He's talking about reconciliation and Senate rules, not sausage making.

by seabe on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 09:37:34 PM EST
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The responsibility for the State of the Union needs to be spread around a bit more, methinks. It's easy, and accurate to a point, to blame Democrats and Republicans for this or that. But strategies like the one you reference in this post depend on one thing and one thing only: that voters be gullible enough to fall for this crap.

Individual voters in this country need to start thinking much more critically about the messages they receive from people with agendas. To answer your "in what sense did I vote for it?" question; in the same sense that anything can be said to have happened. So much of what most people "know" about the world is just stuff people told them.

It's important to note that voters are expected to run the treacherous gauntlet of poor education and hurricanes of misinformation and somehow still make choices at the ballot box that are sound and will guide the nation safely through tough times. Kind of like asking someone who's never driven to learn on a Semi truck, after being indoctrinated for __ years to believe that trucks run on happy thoughts and are steered by Faith. Not exactly a recipe for survival, much less success (prosperity).

Two options America: 1) You can either sit around wait for politicians and other powerful people to start being honest with you out of the goodness of their hearts, or 2) You can start thinking for yourselves, become critical consumers of media messages, and start rethinking a lot of the things you only "know" because someone told you. Is that a hard choice?

Did I mention that option 3) is the gradual (accelerating) ruin of this nation and possibly the world?

by bologna on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 07:13:52 PM EST

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If there really are drones, who's operating them? That's the real question.

"If you look for the social economic motive, you will not have to wait for history to tell you what was propaganda and what was truth." - George Seldes

by Real History Lisa (lpeaseRemoveThis@gte.net) on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 08:48:16 PM EST

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see my above comment

by bologna on Wed Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:47:03 PM EST
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